Did The Tuck get Cucked here?

[WorldofWarcraft]

I asked this question to someone a few weeks ago who was arguing the second amendment was to guard against a tyrannical government. Who decides when the government is at that point?

When the government decides to take away the means of which makes it possible for them to be overthrown.

 

[Greoric]

This is an older vid - one we discussed a couple years back in the WR.

I recommend everyone watch it.

During the interview he responds to the questions relatively calm, measured and with open ended answers. He even expressed his unsurety. But when asked a question about gun confiscation with a specific scenario at 330 he responds with conviction. That's his line in the sand. That's his Hitler.

...And it should be.

 

[Greoric]

Carlson got curb stomped hard.

Continually attempted to do an end around a very direct, straightforward question because he knew his answer would immediately place him in the center of a pit of quicksand.

What is the basis under which we as citizens can rightfully take up arms against the US government and her agents?

Because government is taking up arms first....

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Yeah Tucker got cucked.

The guy brings up a legit argument in saying actual practice of the 2nd amendment would resemble this shooting, to which Tucker couldnt really form a decent rebuttal. All he countered with was:

1. The guy was a Bernie fan so he couldnt have supported the 2nd(which doesnt make sense because Bernie is pro-gun)
2. Blaiming the Second amendment is really blaming the Right??????

Its funny to see Tuckers face when he gets presented with arguments he cant really counter, he always looks so stupefied.

 

[nostradumbass]

I asked this question to someone a few weeks ago who was arguing the second amendment was to guard against a tyrannical government. Who decides when the government is at that point?

I'm gonna go ahead and say tyranny is not just when they don't give you free shit. If your entire argument is "but I want it", probably not tyranny.

Am I the only one with a bloody dictionary?

 

[Rod1]

When the government decides to take away the means of which makes it possible for them to be overthrown.

The ability to vote? they already do such a thing.

 

[Greoric]

I asked this question to someone a few weeks ago who was arguing the second amendment was to guard against a tyrannical government. Who decides when the government is at that point?

Individuals do, and this individual did. Is he right? Maybe.

 

[second sight]

I hope a bunch of you aren't gun owners

 

[Jack V Savage]

Continually attempted to do an end around a very direct, straightforward question because he knew his answer would immediately place him in the center of a pit of quicksand.

I don't think he's even clever enough to be thinking in those terms. The shallowness of his thinking doesn't allow him to even discuss a principle or an idea. It's just "I want to point the finger that way, and if you disagree, you're pointing it my way." He was never able to get beyond that point.

 

[HomerThompson]

Tuck got the shit cucked out of him.The second amendment is there to protect against a tyrannical government, but you are only allowed to use it for larping.

 

[HomerThompson]

Carlson got curb stomped hard.

Continually attempted to do an end around a very direct, straightforward question because he knew his answer would immediately place him in the center of a pit of quicksand.

What is the basis under which we as citizens can rightfully take up arms against the US government and her agents?

The motherfucking US Constitution, bitch!!!!

 

[Sir Galahad]

His guest has the perfect point... the Scalise shooting is precisely what the practice of the 2A looks like.

What does the rest of the WR think?

 

[Greoric]

Care to elaborate? Where was his guest wrong?

 

[Greoric]

The motherfucking US Constitution, bitch!!!!

Sorry to be a pest here, but the Amendments are written in the context that the rights exist outside of the government's allowance, a la "..., the right to keep and bear arms."

I hear people say "my Consitutional right" all the time, but its not a Constitutional right, because the Constitution didn't give it to them. The right preceded the Consitution, and hence why its their "Constitutionally protected right." It seems like a nonsense point to make, but the nuance of the distinction makes every difference.

 

[HomerThompson]

Sorry to be a pest here, but not really. The Amendments are written in the context that the rights exist outside of the government's allowance, al a "..., the right to keep and bear arms."

I hear people say "my Consitutional right" all the time, but its not a Constitutional right, because the Constitution didn't give it to you. The right preceded the consitution, and hence why its their "constitutionally protected right." Its seems like a nonsense point to make, but the nuance of the distinction makes every difference.

Shaddup.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

Care to elaborate? Where was his guest wrong?

That Trump isn't a tyrannical dictator.

 

[Greoric]

That Trump isn't a tyrannical dictator.

Well, that wasn't his guests point though, right? He was just fleshing out that this was what the 2A in practice looks like... It's just that the people who side more with the establishment right didn't like that it was their guys that were getting targeted. They're still presiding over a government that's overtly stepped on every individual right listed in the BoR, and overstepped every enumerated power in Article one.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Care to elaborate? Where was his guest wrong?

Dave Ross admitted that he didn't use proper language in his piece. The guy is just a liberal know it all from PNW.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That Trump isn't a tyrannical dictator.

He didn't say he was. The point is just that if we recognize the legitimacy of political violence and grant that it's an individual decision, that's the result.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

Well, that wasn't his guests point though, right? He was just fleshing out that this was what the 2A in practice looks like... It's just that the people who side more with the establishment right didn't like that it was their guys that were getting targeted. They're still presiding over a government that's overtly stepped on every individual right listed in the BoR, and overstepped every enumerated power in Article one.

2A in practice would be what happened in the battle of Athens. Not some crazy piece of shit who's still sore that Trump won, therefore he wanted to take out as many GOP members he didn't agree with. I would put it more in the mass shooting category, rather than someone trying to take down an oppressive government.

I would put Timothy McVeigh's actions as something that is trying to take down an oppressive government.