PFL Did Francis N'gannou Hit PFL With the Ole'Scam?

His twitter suspended...wonder why

That was six years ago now. Vox got it suspended after he correctly expressed disgust that Bloody Elbow (owned by Vox then) had hired a depraved sexual predator (some Scottish person called Iain Kidd who was into children and animals) while always taking the moral high ground. FRB soon returned to Twitter under the handle Fight Oracle.
 
That was six years ago now. Vox got it suspended after he correctly expressed disgust that Bloody Elbow (owned by Vox then) had hired a depraved sexual predator (some Scottish person called Iain Kidd who was into children and animals) while always taking the moral high ground. FRB soon returned to Twitter under the handle Fight Oracle.
Yeah, I remember. Iain Kidd was a big shit.

Any other salary estimations done by him from ONE back then?
 
Yeah, I remember. Iain Kidd was a big shit.

Any other salary estimations done by him from ONE back then?

Not that I can remember. His big point was that One overpaid so they could say "We have a GOAT candidate fighting for us" yet DJ repelled audiences; meanwhile in exchange, the UFC got Askren and his defeat at the hands of Masvidal actually created one of their biggest draws for a couple of years.

FRB/Fight Oracle discussed the $1.5 million figure relatively recently (a few weeks ago?) - it may be worth searching his posts.
 
Not that I can remember. His big point was that One overpaid so they could say "We have a GOAT candidate fighting for us" yet DJ repelled audiences; meanwhile in exchange, the UFC got Askren and his defeat at the hands of Masvidal actually created one of their biggest draws for a couple of years.
Dunno if they STILL overpay.... seems like Rizin provides better salaries based on the recent signings
 
I don't know Francis personally, but his child passed away and shortly after he was in a tragic accident when someone passed away. I would venture to guess these unfortunate incidents have something to do with his inactivity in MMA.

Those events don't effect to his boxing career tho?
 
Those events don't effect to his boxing career tho?
I don't know the guy personally -- who knows how it affects him?

On the contrary, I don't know how well my comment holds up considering his BS ezcuse most recently saying that the PFL needed to have more African representation on their card. So yeah, I think I may have been wrong this time.
 
Don davis was a mediocre CEO, who lacked awareness and the basics of the game, that is why he failed.

So many bad moves on the chessboard. I always said that overpaying francis Nganou was nothing but a mistake and I was right.

Besides, what is this PFL Africa, PFL Oceania bullshit ? To conquer the world ? Come on now, what's next, PFL Antartica.

All the rival of the UFC, it would be wiser for them, to try to be profitable, before trying to be number one, and thus to overthrow the UFC.
 
Don davis was a mediocre CEO, who lacked awareness and the basics of the game, that is why he failed.

So many bad moves on the chessboard. I always said that overpaying francis Nganou was nothing but a mistake and I was right.

Besides, what is this PFL Africa, PFL Oceania bullshit ? To conquer the world ? Come on now, what's next, PFL Antartica.

All the rival of the UFC, it would be wiser for them, to try to be profitable, before trying to be number one, and thus to overthrow the UFC.

lol did I miss something?
 
lol did I miss something?
Francis was given millions for a fight against a brazilian MMA fighter. With the ability to fight in boxing bouts. Was offered to be a leading man with being the head of PFL Africa.

What did he do ? Nothing. He did not even show up.

A guy like Francis only knows how to take, and not how to give.

It was nothing but a mistake.
 
Francis was given millions for a fight against a brazilian MMA fighter. With the ability to fight in boxing bouts. Was offered to be a leading man with being the head of PFL Africa.

What did he do ? Nothing. He did not even show up.

A guy like Francis only knows how to take, and not how to give.

It was nothing but a mistake.

You were talking about Davis in the past-tense, like Frank ran him over with his motorcycle or something lmao
 


  • Gets amazing contract allowing him to box while fighting MMA and stipulates PFL create an African division
  • Doesn't even show up to the first two PFL Africa events even though he is the Chairman of PFL Africa and made an enormous deal out of it
  • In 2.5 years he fought once against Renan selling 10,000 PPVs
  • Cited the biggest reason he left the UFC was a lack of respect, has made Donn Davis look like an abject moron, very disrespectful!
  • Rumored Frank is going to fight Deontay Wilder in his third boxing foray, arguable that Francis hasn't done even the bare minimum at most from his end
  • Frank still gets a monthly check even though he doesn't fight since he has corporate positions, they're having to pay him to continue fleecing them.
Guys...was...was Dana right about Francis?
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Doof Davis upset at Nganou for no-showing PFL Africa

John McCarthy says the PFL should get rid of Francis Ngannou’s heavyweight division​

‘Big’ John McCarthy was brutally honest in his assessment of the PFL heavyweight division.

McCarthy, the third man in the Octagon for many legendary fights, says it’s time for the PFL to cut ties with their heavyweight roster and add a men’s flyweight division (125 lbs) to make up for it.

“It’s a glamour division with no talent,” McCarthy said of the PFL heavyweight division on the Weighing In Podcast (last clip of the video).
“Let’s just be honest, okay? Why do you have it?” McCarthy continued.

“You have the ability to put in a flyweight division. You finally put in the bantamweights. Way to go. That was a smart thing. You’ve got some really good, talented people in that. Open up the 125 pound division. Take the heavyweights. Get rid of it,” McCarthy said, adding the UFC’s heavyweight division isn’t much better.

"The UFC’s, their whole lineup, it’s just not that good…You can take a look at the PFL’s lineup. Yes, Francis is a good fighter,” McCarthy admitted.

"Yes, Vadim [Nemkov] is a good fighter. You got a couple in there. [Valentin] Moldavsky is good. [Denis] Goltsov just got beat by a light heavyweight [by] Corey Anderson…"

“Get rid of it. All it does is cost you way more money than it’s worth for your promotion. Get rid of the heavyweights, put in all the other weight classes, have 125, 35, 45, 55. You’ll have it all the way to 205,” McCarthy suggested.



Is Big John right? Should PFL just scrap their entire heavyweight "division" and admit the Francis experiment didn't work?
Sounds reasonable to me, while keeping PFL Africa since you're the first to step foot from the international promotions and already laid out the infrastructure.

We might be in for quite the disappointing ending to the lineal Heavyweight Belt, fellow karate forum nerds.


Yes, Big J is right they should get rid of it. The days of coming in with 1 big star and hoping to grow your promotion off it are gone and have been gone for over a decade now. They should be focusing on slowly growing with as many cheap fighters as they can get.
 
You were talking about Davis in the past-tense, like Frank ran him over with his motorcycle or something lmao
Davis never was a fan of the game, came only for the money.

It is hard to make money in a world that you don't like, because to know a thing, you must spent a lot of time studying it, and usually if you do that it's because you love it somehow.

Don Davis never made game changing moves, made a lot of mistakes on the chessboard.

Nganou was from the start, nothing but a bad investement. Expect creating indirect advertisement, PFL wasted millions of dollars.
Running an MMA corporation is not a sprint but a marathon. David knows nothing about the game, no wonder he failed.

I quote from Don Davis being upset to Ngannou in the media : "PFL founder Donn Davis didn’t hold back his frustration over the absence. “You have to ask Francis (why he was not present),” Davis said. “I’m not going to hide it — I expected him (at GrandWest Arena). This is part of his vision, so that all those fighters out there don’t have to leave the continent like he did. We worked for two years. I’m direct and say what I think — I’m disappointed.”"

Fuck Don Davis, it is his mistake. You are the CEO, your job is to make sure good work gets done, you can outsource the job, but you needs to make sure it gets done, even if it by the hands of someone else and not your hands.

Why it has to be Francis ? Bring an educated guy from Africa, give him your ambitious plans. If Francis did do nothing in 3 months, make him work, or fire him ass, you waited 2 years, before expressing your dissapointment ? You've got to get rid of dead weight from the start, instead of carrying it for two years.

I'm the CEO of PFL Africa, what do I do ?

Open 3 gyms in 9 african countries that do not know cival war and are stable.
Bring 60 MMA amateur fighters from Africa, and make them a seminar of 3 years in an academy.
Send them back to these gyms. Contracts.

You miss training ? Fired
Metrics with technology.

Create a generation of MMA fighter, use local celebrities to promote your academy. Make small events, tiny events, attract sponsors, create a small local scene. For the 100 fighters that you will have selected in 3 years, select 10% of them.

Send them abroad to the US, give them a phantom job for visa, make them train in US gyms. Sponsors them always with the minimum.

With less than 3/5 millions dollars you could have done that. Setting a clear foundation for your PFL Africa project.

In 5 years, you could build a good generation of fighters and making them start their pro careers.

If Francis has no vision, Davis as well had none.
 
It all depends how you look at the situation.

From a pure fighting standpoint it is mess at best. But look at it from a marketing standpoint Francis has giving the PFL more world wide advertising at a way cheaper rate than any global marketing campaign would cost. You could argue Francis has helped PFL get the Saudi deal worth much more than Francis contract cost. They got a ton of run initially with the signing. Helped to get PFL Africa going. But the dude should've shown up and it seems from all accounts Francis just ghosted them pretty much. Which speaks to his character. He talks about respect and all this and he basically said FU to the PFL on these African events for what ever reasons he may have. My guess, it is a simple as he felt he had better things to do.

But overall, it just seems like PFL brass doesn't know how to get people to care about the product regardless of talent or how to manage talent(on many levels) they acquired over the years. So all of it doesn't really matter that much. They get Bellator and had a real chance at doing something great and the reality is they didn't know WTF to do with the influx of talent they got. Like so many of these second tier orgs there seems to be little direction into the future of anything. Their idea of future planning is a tournament. That should be more of a cherry on top and not the easy way out of planning. Look at PFL outside the tournaments, no one has any idea of what is going on. Hell, fighters don't know what is going on. If fans or the fighters can't follow your logic, then good luck getting us to even tune in or care about you. The goal of building these subsidiary orgs around the world and flowing the top talent into the PFL big stage just doesn't seem to be working much. I think fans just don't care about that vision. Fans want good entertaining fights and part of that is knowing who is fighting. They don't care how we got there but if you can't deliver more times than not when we turn on TV to watch, you lose us quickly.


PFL has reached a point that it probably needs to be blown up from the inside out. They need all new brass, new name, and most importantly a new vision.
more worldwide advertising
69k ppvs
even tyson fury cant make pfl famous
 
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