International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[The_Renaissance]

So the implication is that a virus in Laos jumped from bats to humans on it's own? Or is the OP merely speculating about the place where the virus was originally harvested from nature for lab experimentation? Because I'm convinced that this was in a lab at some point and was deliberately evolved to be more dangerous and then either escaped through incompetence or was released deliberately.

Whichever is the case I hope everyone realizes just how epically stupid bioweapons are now. It's not just that you can cause mass death, but that there is no controlling it and you will inevitably do harm to your own people.

I lean towards GOF research, funded by Fauci and co, that went wrong via incompetence - which resulted in the WEF and certain world leaders thinking "right, here's our chance to impose those things we've been waiting for...."

 

[Papi Chulo]

I lean towards GOF research, funded by Fauci and co, that went wrong via incompetence - which resulted in the WEF and certain world leaders thinking "right, here's our chance to impose those things we've been waiting for...."

 

[mjfan23]

Here we are uncovering facts and findings everyday while Fauci is still in office and not in jail for repeatedly lying to the nation (under oath too at times).

Trump nor Biden could/will do anything about it like you are suggesting TS cause we were in bed with the supposed culprits and funding this shit too

 

[hitcher]

The virus was created and released on purpose. Trump was right. And Fauci should be in prison

In 2017 Fauci admitted there will be a "suprise outbreak."

Let’s assume this is not fake, no shit outbreaks are surprising and come out of nowhere. How is that for anyone above an 110 iq surprising at all?

 

[Ophydian]

Breaking News

- Banal-52, a virus found in bats in Laos is purported to be genetically the closest to Sars-Cov-2 (96.8% similarity) . Until the exsistence of Banal-52 was uncovered, the virus with the greatest genetic similarity to Sars-Cov-2 was in bats in Yunnan China.

- Leaked emails between EcoHealth Alliance and US gov. funding agencies show that viruses were collected in Laos and sent to Wuhan

- Matthew White Ridley (aka Viscount Ridley) who co-authored the book "Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19" states:

“Banal-52 is not close enough to be the progenitor, it's still not the smoking gun, but it's pretty good. So maybe this virus started in Laos, not China. Interesting possibility.

“But we got a leak of a document showing that the EcoHealth Alliance was sampling bats in Laos.

“They say in the document that because it would be complicated to come back and ask the US Government for permission to give some of the grant to a Laotian lab, they’d like to send all these samples to a lab that can analyse it for them. It was in a place called Wuhan.

“So the outbreak happened in a city with the world’s largest research programme on bat-borne coronaviruses, whose scientists had gone to at least two places where these Sars-CoV-2-like viruses live.”



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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-wuhan-laboratory-covid-outbreak-emails-show/
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Highly plausible scenarios:

1) The virus escaped from the lab, while the Wuhan scientists were studying it.
2) Wuhan scientists did gain-of-function on Banal-52, and this modified virus escaped the lab


I am still amazed that neither the Trump admin nor the Biden admin raided the offices of EcoHealth Alliance, brought Peter Daszak before Congress and the FBI hasn't taken him in for questioning.

Edited to remove claim Banal-52 was sent to the Wuhan lab.

96% similar is also not identical and that 4% is actually the Grand Canyon when it comes to being COVID and jumping animal to human.

 

[Clifford_Harris]

96% similar is also not identical and that 4% is actually the Grand Canyon when it comes to being COVID and jumping animal to human.

Word aren't humans and chimps like 98% similar when it comes to DNA?

 

[Ophydian]

Word aren't humans and chimps like 98% similar when it comes to DNA?

Mice and humans share 97.5%. DNA. That should be enough for even the slowest members on this board to see the huge difference.

 

[MicroBrew]

So the implication is that a virus in Laos jumped from bats to humans on it's own? Or is the OP merely speculating about the place where the virus was originally harvested from nature for lab experimentation? Because I'm convinced that this was in a lab at some point and was deliberately evolved to be more dangerous and then either escaped through incompetence or was released deliberately.

Whichever is the case I hope everyone realizes just how epically stupid bioweapons are now. It's not just that you can cause mass death, but that there is no controlling it and you will inevitably do harm to your own people.

O.P. is saying, that leaked emails, show EcoHealth Alliance was harvesting bat coronaviruses in Laos and sending them to Wuhan. Banal-52 , a bat coronavirus from Laos, shows the greatest genetic similarity to Sars-Cov-2.

So the suspicion is that EcoHealth or someone else sent Banal-52 to the Wuhan Lab. And whilst there it escaped containment. It may or may not have been modified.

Banal-52 is from Laos, but the outbreak started in Wuhan, which is 1000 + miles away.

 

[MicroBrew]

96% similar is also not identical and that 4% is actually the Grand Canyon when it comes to being COVID and jumping animal to human.

Article doesn't say it is identical, just that of the viruses we know of this is most similar to Sars-Cov-2, genetically closer than the coronaviruses taken from Yunnan.

 

[SBJJ]

Mice and humans share 97.5%. DNA. That should be enough for even the slowest members on this board to see the huge difference.

85%

While it is possible politicians and media pundits share 97.5%

 

[Ophydian]

85%

While it is possible politicians and media pundits share 97.5%

I just looked it up, unless my source is wrong? I think you have old data. This new one has updated details based on advances in genome

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...2352-just-2-5-of-dna-turns-mice-into-men/amp/

 

[Ophydian]

Article doesn't say it is identical, just that of the viruses we know of this is most similar to Sars-Cov-2, genetically closer than the coronaviruses taken from Yunnan.

Im aware, this has been discussed before with a different bat Wuhan was studying that certain people used incorrectly as the species the lab used to create COVID since their similarities were a few % points off. When in actuality a few % points is a canyon of diversity when it comes to DNA. As I mentioned, mice and humans are 97.5% identical in DNA but no one would argue you could make a human from a mouse, all jokes aside.

 

[Scerpi]

Here we are uncovering facts and findings everyday while Fauci is still in office and not in jail for repeatedly lying to the nation (under oath too at times).

Trump nor Biden could/will do anything about it like you are suggesting TS cause we were in bed with the supposed culprits and funding this shit too

I wouldn't be surprised by any news that comes out about Fauchi at this point.

 

[mjfan23]

I wouldn't be surprised by any news that comes out about Fauchi at this point.

Wonder how many scientists and evidence they removed

 

[heloder]

In 2017 Fauci admitted there will be a "suprise outbreak."

Listening to the speech he gave and concluding that he was admitting that he knew about Covid-19 years in advance is certainly the most retarded take imaginable. I'd expect nothing less from you.

 

[Source]

I thought it was a hoax, a plandemic, naturally occurring, accidental lab leak, engineered intentional leak. If we throw enough spaghetti against the wall something is bound to stick. It could be any one of them. It isn’t all of them.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

I thought it was a hoax, a plandemic, naturally occurring, accidental lab leak, engineered intentional leak. If we throw enough spaghetti against the wall something is bound to stick. It could be any one of them. It isn’t all of them.

Who could keep track anymore.

 

[Chappi]

I seem to have a vage memory of the news mentioning that the Wuhan lab was a bit of a mess with safety procedures and that it was known by investors and government.
But I can't be bothered to look it up if I remember it correctly.
This would make an accident a more likely scenario imo.

 

[ShadowRun]

Listening to the speech he gave and concluding that he was admitting that he knew about Covid-19 years in advance is certainly the most retarded take imaginable. I'd expect nothing less from you.

No will be held accountable in anyways for something that should of not killed millions ?

 

[kenetics]

lol... Ok Jinping

What are you talking about?

The article doesn't state as fact that it came from Laos, but that the the viruses found there are the closest they've come to finding in the wild. And I love this part of the article.

The genetic sequences collected from both Yunnan and Laos were kept in an online database at the Wuhan institute. However, that was removed in September 2019, leaving experts unsure of exactly what strains were studied at the lab.

Convenient... lol

China is asshole

Fauchi and the NIH are criminally negligent fools to trust China to make right and ethical choices... While being transparent with what they were doing in that Lab.

Are you implying that America is ethical ? Obviously china isn't but to act like America hasn't done some shady things with vaccines and other things is laughable at best.

Don't let your tribalism blind you. All superpowers are and have been unethical throughout history . The blame game gets passed around .