International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[method115]

very convenient how in this video he omits the fact that one agency had moderate confidence it leaked from a lab.

 

[DespicablePeep]

very convenient how in this video he omits the fact that one agency had moderate confidence it leaked from a lab.

He wants to sound neutral while at the same time making it sound ridiculous to speculate the virus came from the lab.

Wonder if China pays people to suppress narratives in the internet

 

[shockaholic12]

What about the genetically altered mice with human DNA they used to infect with Coronaviruses? Could not that lead to a virus mutation, that would appear natural but would infect humans?

How can that be studied if nobody has access and the lab was cleaned out?

are you saying to make human’s prone to Covid 19 they switched out the blood of mice with human blood and then gave these mice-men COVID-19?

 

[Greta Thunberg]

Did COVID come from a Lab in China?

Yes, it did.

 

[ocean size]

Wrong again they have found a virus, RMYN02, in bat in China that is 93.6% similar to Sars-Cov-2

What is yet to be found is such related virus in an animal that could spread to humans.


https://pesquisa.bvsalud.org/global...avirus-2019-ncov/resource/pt/covidwho-1245362

This makes it even more strange

93.6% is not that similar — decades in evolutionary time. One of three most closely related wild relatives, yes. Not close enough to have been a GOF backbone. Again, going back to my first post, whether GOF or zoonotic event, the wild progenitor is still out there.

What about the genetically altered mice with human DNA they used to infect with Coronaviruses? Could not that lead to a virus mutation, that would appear natural but would infect humans?

How can that be studied if nobody has access and the lab was cleaned out?

If you are really curious, you should read that cell article I linked above that discusses how well that fits with the early evidence.

 

[floivanus]

Lol shut your bitch ass up. There is nothing racist about criticizing the CCP, lets make that clear. Stop associating the people of a country with its government. Especially one that is an Orwellian autocracy.

More importantly: its not a conspiracy to believe that they made every effort to spread the virus globally. I dont think they released it on purpose because thatd be an insane gamble. But once it was out they made every effort to make sure it spread to every country.

The staggering effort they went to, openly and publicly, to make sure the virus spread globally should be treated as a war crime. It was an evident case of 'we cant stand the thought of only china being impacted by this virus so the whole world has to take it."

If the virus started in any democratic western country they would be able to somewhat confine it for at least a couple of weeks or months allowing other countries vital time to prepare. Even if this last statement is factually false it still does not matter because the CCP still made an effort to spread it as they didnt know at the time if the above statement is true or false.

Fuck me, sarcasm and the internet don’t coexist

 

[method115]

He wants to sound neutral while at the same time making it sound ridiculous to speculate the virus came from the lab.

Wonder if China pays people to suppress narratives in the internet

Exactly he does this a lot and it’s part of why I unsubscribed from his channel.

 

[DespicablePeep]

are you saying to make human’s prone to Covid 19 they switched out the blood of mice with human blood and then gave these mice-men COVID-19?

Yes mutant ninja mice

 

[ocean size]

Dude, it came from the lab, of course. The odds of it appearing “naturally” unrelated to the lab, right next to the lab, are statistically impossible. It’s like 999,999,999,999 to 1 lol.

It isn't a coincidence that Wuhan has the WIV and two smaller labs where coronaviruses are studied. It's the largest city in central china. You'd have a point if it was in the absolute middle of nowhere.

But it's larger than New York City. the fact it is a massive regional hub is the same reason why there is a booming wildlife trade across several markets and exactly why a zoonotic event would be likely to occur there.

If it was in a small town perhaps it never would have blown up into a pandemic, in fact a few % of rural people in china living near bat caves were found to have antibodies for bat coronaviruses. If those people lived in high population density and also handled a variety of wildlife daily besides bats, like people in Wuhan markets did, the small village would have had the recipe for an outbreak.

 

[Amerikuracana]

It isn't a coincidence that Wuhan has the WIV and two smaller labs where coronaviruses are studied. It's the largest city in central china. You'd have a point if it was in the absolute middle of nowhere.

But it's larger than New York City. the fact it is a massive regional hub is the same reason why there is a booming wildlife trade across several markets and exactly why a zoonotic event would be likely to occur there.

If it was in a small town perhaps it never would have blown up into a pandemic, in fact a few % of rural people in china living near bat caves were found to have antibodies for bat coronaviruses. If those people lived in high population density and also handled a variety of wildlife daily besides bats, like people in Wuhan markets did, the small village would have had the recipe for an outbreak.

Ok.


The story that it came from somebody eating a bat was a preposterous assault on our intelligence by some totally average people who wanted to cover their tracks for whatever reason. It did not come from somebody eating a fkn bat.

 

[MicroBrew]

He wants to sound neutral while at the same time making it sound ridiculous to speculate the virus came from the lab.

Wonder if China pays people to suppress narratives in the internet

CCP invented a Swiss researcher, who claimed the US has politicized the search for the origins of the virus in order to attack China.

Below article is behind a paywall but if you manually stop the page from fully loading , you can access the article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/10/wilson-edwards-china-swiss/

 

[ocean size]

Ok.


The story that it came from somebody eating a bat was a preposterous assault on our intelligence by some totally average people who wanted to cover their tracks for whatever reason. It did not come from somebody eating a fkn bat.

not sure what you are on about really. Perhaps you are a victim of the Chinese coverup? The reality of wildlife market trade was surpressed by the Chinese government, just like everything else. Wildlife trade including coronavirus reservoir species was absolutely booming in Wuhan. The markets were so full of virus that swabs of walls and floors in markets returned culturable coronavirus samples which is close to unheard of. And testing of animal carcasses after they closed the markets did not reflect all of the species known to harbor coronaviruses viruses, like racoons dogs.

 

[PUO3]

Lmao? News flash, you don’t need to get access to a lab in China to study the covid-19 virus and put it under a microscope. It’s kind of easy to track it down.

News flash, theyre trying to find the SOURCE. But keep being intentionally stupid I guess.

 

[ocean size]

Must be why they admitted to GOF research and wont cooperate with a world wide investigation lmao.

They also completely hid why the fact wildlife trade of likely resevoir species was widespread In Wuhan for years before the outbreak and told the WHO it didn't exist.

So... Are they are either covering up both allowing a zoonotic crossover event to happen AND the lab leak, or are they just generally being uncooperative? Authoritarians gonna authoritarian.

 

[shockaholic12]

News flash, theyre trying to find the SOURCE. But keep being intentionally stupid I guess.

I’m being stupid? Lol. Go read your post I quoted and then read my response. The post I quoted said “they altered it (the virus) intentionally”.

There is nothing at all in your post that mentions anything regarding “the SOURCE” of the virus. You simply stated an accusation that China altered the structure of the Covid 19 virus on purpose like this was a fact. Thus I replied about that topic, the engineering of the virus, and not “the SOURCE” since that topic never came up in your post or our replies.

You seem to be embarrassed or something and trying to change the subject while in all CAPS. Chill out lol.

 

[shockaholic12]

Yes mutant ninja mice

 

[The Audience]

the wild progenitor is still out there.

or not..

Why We Don’t Know the Animal Origins of the Coronavirus

"Most viruses of interest typically infect animal hosts for only a matter of days...Investigations into an animal source that immediately follow a viral emergence event have an additional challenge. Because an outbreak in animals likely would have preceded the outbreak in humans, infections in animals would have already peaked. Few or none of them would still be infected."

[Scientific American]

This line of reasoning for a lab leak just infers a lack of understanding of the history of disease outbreaks.

 

[Boomb]

Don't forget, as recent as March 31st of this year, CNN was running articles explaining how this virus could not have started in a lab.

A friend of mine, who's a scientist told me last summer, why this virus could not have started in a lab, but I'm not educated enough to repeat what he said.

 

[Amerikuracana]

A friend of mine, who's a scientist told me last summer, why this virus could not have started in a lab, but I'm not educated enough to repeat what he said.

Well that was information from that Lancer article revealed to be a literal conspiracy to cover tracks by that fauci underling; that was part of the Fauci email expose. They got on it quickly. The mumbo jumbo your buddy gave you wasn’t some conclusion he came to through extensive research on his own, he was just parroting the same crap the media was at the time, before other scientists said “no, that’s not necessarily right.” The narrative changed out of necessity, because believe me, they did not want to change that one.

 

[scoopj]

A friend of mine, who's a scientist told me last summer, why this virus could not have started in a lab, but I'm not educated enough to repeat what he said.

That settles it then.