hard to say, it's so subjective and like so many things in life, it's not about how good you are but how much ass you can either kiss or give up. The rumors of Arnie giving it up to anyone who could help him have been out there. Even if they aren't true, what is true is that he has always been machiavellian with how he did things and who he associated with. Weider helped him out a lot. However, the focus and the work he put in as well as his methodology was all him. For anyone who doesn't believe it's a kiss ass game, look up the name Marvin Eder. Most fields are like that.