1. We now have a new forum called Fantasy Matchup Discussion. Access it here

Developed a new kick...

Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by I-Shoji, Aug 12, 2005.

  1. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    San Antonio TX.
    Sparring with a partner who is a pretty accomplished striker I have come across a new kick.

    A good striker can often see a roundkick to the legs or body coming fairly well and step back just out of range for the kick to whiff. Whiffing with a properly executed round kick results in turning a full 360 and exposing yourself to a counter. Bas did this a lot in his pancrase fights, jumping back just enough for the kick to whiff and counter with a kick to the legs...

    So taking that into consideration you can bring the leg up and around just like you are throwing a roundkick to the body, but at the point your leg stretches out completely with the foot turned sideways piston your hip out a bit and into the target. The heel plows into the target, and you can aim for the solar plexus or the spleen/liver.

    I practiced this kick against my partner and he said it comes out looking identical to a roundkick, but hits more like a front kick without being so telegraphed. you can really plow into someone with this kick with a lot of power, and unlike the bullshit TKD or Karate style sidekick you really don't run the risk of having the kick jammed by the oponent moving into it cuz if he does you simply catch him with a round kick. Plus now I can actually somewhat adjust a roundkick to land with the heel-plow effect if they back away from the range of my round-kicks...

    especially if I throw a few roundkicks and he backs away from them, and then I throw one of these.

    Try it out and give me some feedback. Wish I could make a video of it.
     
  2. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2003
    Messages:
    1,213
    Likes Received:
    1
    Basically a round kick into a side kick without chambering?
     
  3. Gregster

    Gregster Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2003
    Messages:
    6,090
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    In front of my computer, it seems
    What you describe sounds like a rear-leg sidekick.
     
  4. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    San Antonio TX.
    Yes.
     
  5. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    San Antonio TX.
    No not really. Rear-leg sidekick still 'cocks' the leg which makes the kick telegraphed and easy to jam.
     
  6. SanShou

    SanShou The Original A-level Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    4,796
    Likes Received:
    1,037
    Location:
    Lazarus pit
    Do this all the time. My sidekicks don't chamber, either.
     
  7. Gregster

    Gregster Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2003
    Messages:
    6,090
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    In front of my computer, it seems
    Yeah, this is true. And still some guys are dumb enough to try and tag someone in front of them with a rear-leg sidekick because they learned to throw it that way when learning the kick.

    A front-leg sidekick (thrown half-cocked into an opponent who is closing) or thrown to the side at someone trying to flank you works fairly well.
     
  8. SanShou

    SanShou The Original A-level Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    4,796
    Likes Received:
    1,037
    Location:
    Lazarus pit

    These hurt. My first time sparring with a TKD guy he eventually hit me with one of these in the ribs as I came at him and cleanly knocked the wind out of me.
     
  9. Gregster

    Gregster Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2003
    Messages:
    6,090
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    In front of my computer, it seems
    Oh, yeah. You can knock the wind out of someone, or put a guy flat on his back faster than a $2 ho with a front-leg sidekick (padda-chuggi(sp?) if you time it just right. Very effective for both creating distance as well as making an opponent think twice about closing it.
     
  10. kumite

    kumite Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    469
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dude, i hate to tell you this, but you are just throwing a sidekick with a roundkick as a feint. nothing extra special.
     
  11. dapunisher

    dapunisher Guest

    I dont think you made it up.
     
  12. Evil Eye Gouger

    Evil Eye Gouger Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    19,583
    Likes Received:
    5
    It's called a rising side kick and has been in various Karate styles since the dawn of time. A TKD guy would call it a leg swing and use it for warmup.
     
  13. Kyryllo

    Kyryllo Kia kaha e hine!

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    7,002
    Likes Received:
    273
    Location:
    Lucerne, Switzerland (via Cologne, Germany)
    Well, nothing new or special, but you should enjoy your new technique anyway.
     
  14. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    San Antonio TX.
    Hum, well I'm merely stating that the technique is new to me and it works well.

    Obviously I'm not claiming that it's never been done before, but I do hold belts in Karate and Kung-Fu styles and have about 20 years of martial arts experience as well as plenty of time in sparring with competent strikers from Mikey Burnett's Lion's Den..

    It's different in a few subtle and important ways then any technique I've come across so far.

    Oh, and noone has ever thrown anything like it in any K-1 event I've seen. So there is that too :p
     
  15. tokian

    tokian Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2005
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Santa Clarita, CA
    Good post.
     
  16. TwIsTeD&BrOkEn

    TwIsTeD&BrOkEn With These Hands I Control The Fate of Millions

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Messages:
    10,385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Darkness
    Kaoklai does it.
     
  17. boooya777

    boooya777 Guest

    the side kick with out the chamber basicially. wow......must try this move out in sparing next week.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.