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Despite Heightened Fear Of School Shootings, It's Not A Growing Epidemic

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Looks like somebody doesnt care about children dying
 
You're still the absolute P4P nr1 when it comes to school shootings though, don't worry.
 
nostradumbass said:
Glad you tried to be clever and say "p4p", cause US isn't even top 10 for mass shootings when adjusted for population, in fact we're behind your own country there. Norway, Serbia, France are top 3, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic are all ahead too.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/
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Which is an absolutely deceptive way to look at the issue. First of all, they start counting in 2009. Guess what happens shortly after that? The only mass shooting in Norway ever. All of a sudden Norway is beating the USA.

That's a terrible way to see if a country has a school shooting problem. The source of your claim is "crimeresearch.org" which is an incredibly unreliable source, they even included into mass shootings things that were not mass shootings, such as a suicide bomber. Bogus source.

Fact is that the USA holds less than 5% of the world's population but accounts for 31% of global mass shootings.

Think about that for a second. School shootings are almost completely an American phenomenon.
 
Yeah, it's just too bad the public cares fuck all about objective evidence and sound logic, and appeals to emotion are what wins public support.
 
tonni said:
Which is an absolutely deceptive way to look at the issue. First of all, they start counting in 2009. Guess what happens shortly after that? The only mass shooting in Norway ever. All of a sudden Norway is beating the USA.

That's a terrible way to see if a country has a school shooting problem. The source of your claim is "crimeresearch.org" which is an incredibly unreliable source, they even included into mass shootings things that were not mass shootings, such as a suicide bomber. Bogus source.

Fact is that the USA holds less than 5% of the world's population but accounts for 31% of global mass shootings.

Think about that for a second. School shootings are almost completely an American phenomenon.
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Yeah his source and stats are bunk. I'm not even on the gun control wagon but its just not a very convincing argument. America has a problem that seems to be almost uniquely its own, at least among developed countries. As a person who believes in guns rights I can acknowledge that and still resist what I see as ill conceived or misguided gun control legislation.
 
Kafir-kun said:
Yeah his source and stats are bunk. I'm not even on the gun control wagon but its just not a very convincing argument. America has a problem that seems to be almost uniquely its own, at least among developed countries. As a person who believes in guns rights I can acknowledge that and still resist what I see as ill conceived or misguided gun control legislation.
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I'm not against gun ownership either btw. But school shootings are almost solely an USA phenomenon and you need to examine what causes it and combat that.
 
tonni said:
I'm not against gun ownership either btw.
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Oh I know but notice I didn't claim you weren't or say that my support for gun rights is merely support for gun ownership. Beyond that I don't agree with the assault weapons or high capacity magazine bans or most of the stuff that gets suggested after mass shootings

My point is despite being against the kinds of legislation that tends to get suggested after a mass shooting I don't think its helpful to present misleading stats to resist them.
 
I actually almost made this thread a couple of times.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thezenpagan/2018/03/amok-in-america/

This is a good article on how mass killings in general are not a particularly modern or American phenomenon. It's from a sort of strange blog source, but really interesting stuff.

Like I said, I was waiting to start a thread when I had time to break out some of the quotes and give some commentary, but I'll just leave the source here for now.
 
tonni said:
Which is an absolutely deceptive way to look at the issue. First of all, they start counting in 2009. Guess what happens shortly after that? The only mass shooting in Norway ever. All of a sudden Norway is beating the USA.

That's a terrible way to see if a country has a school shooting problem. The source of your claim is "crimeresearch.org" which is an incredibly unreliable source, they even included into mass shootings things that were not mass shootings, such as a suicide bomber. Bogus source.

Fact is that the USA holds less than 5% of the world's population but accounts for 31% of global mass shootings.

Think about that for a second. School shootings are almost completely an American phenomenon.
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lol, so how would banning guns prevent suicide bombings, or are those just nothing to be concerned with? Is it almost as dishonest as counting terrorist attacks the day after 9/11 as some weird way to convince people "right wing terrorism" is a much bigger problem? I can't think of any good reason to not adjust for population.
 
tonni said:
Which is an absolutely deceptive way to look at the issue. First of all, they start counting in 2009. Guess what happens shortly after that? The only mass shooting in Norway ever. All of a sudden Norway is beating the USA.

That's a terrible way to see if a country has a school shooting problem. The source of your claim is "crimeresearch.org" which is an incredibly unreliable source, they even included into mass shootings things that were not mass shootings, such as a suicide bomber. Bogus source.

Fact is that the USA holds less than 5% of the world's population but accounts for 31% of global mass shootings.

Think about that for a second. School shootings are almost completely an American phenomenon.
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I've consulted with John Lott who is the researcher behind this org in the past and I find his work to be impeccable.
 
So will CNN and the rest start giving us "more people have died from toaster fires than from school shootings" type articles the way they do after an attack from a jihadi?
 
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