Derek Brunson vs. Gegard Mousasi

BOOM! ROASTED! said:
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Let Edmond kill him next
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Mousasi lost to Jacare as well, along with Hall, who Brunson knocked out in the first
 
pizzle said:
Brunson should have beat Adesanya I seriously thought he had that in the bag and I'm not sure why he didn't execute what he could've I think Adesanya just got in his head with his hype at the time
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Adesenya was just the better fighter, anything Brunson tried wasn't working for him. I don't think there is anything he could have done better.
 
winkydinks said:
Mousasi lost to Jacare as well, along with Hall, who Brunson knocked out in the first
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Well....Gegard set everything in the right place in the Hall rematch and dominated him. Hall got kind of lucky in the first fight.
 
Moose would destroy him easily
 
Kono dio da! said:
For all it's worth, I agree with everything you said. I also believe he'd beat both Brunson and "the samurai". My beef with him is his level of competition. Okay rockhold fight you get a pass, but why was he unable to get a fight and win over guys that mattered. I mean even a fight with Brunson would've been better. His biggest wins were over fighters from way back when with less rounded skill sets. I wanna see how he would do against the kelvima, romeros, gastelums etc. Crushing Carvalho does nothing for me, neither does fighting Leites or old man Henderson. We'll never really know how good he is.
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In defense- and I cant say this enough, timing and circumstances are paramount in this sport. Remember, mousasi had his setbacks EARLY in UFC tenure .....and still ended an impressive 12-3 under zuffa umbrella ( stipe, twood-,rockhold, RDA....just off top of head had early setbacks , adapted and became UFC champ. There are more. After jacare 2, mousasi finally built a team around him instead of relying on elite talent and his " brother " handling everything). Its a shame that we'll never know. I just wanted to set it for record. Mousasi fought whoever they put in front of him. Hes never said the word " no". He was first to throw in hat to fight Cormier at 200( glad he didnt - too small for DC plus his wrestling chops- big problem). He begged for rumble fight when DC went down and there was a supposed " 205" interim belt for the taking. Anthony declined and was , refreshingly, honest about it. He said he could lose to the smaller and talented mousasi and didnt want to possibly give up his shot at real title. Bisping declined him a title shot when Gegard reached #3 after Chris win.

I'm glad u brought up leites. Leites , arguably, lost a split to Bisping and was looking best of his career as the bjj practitioner walked the brit down for 25.
3 months later , he took worst beating of career against mousasi. This was the same night that Bisping quickly took the Anderson fight when initially it was supposed to be Bisping vs Mousasi in main event. " timing and circumstances ".
That fight goes on as scheduled and this just my opinion- Gegard destroys bisping and Michael doesn't get late title call . The whole domino effect becomes unbelievable when u think about it ( if I turn out to be correct and let's not pull punches- mousasi wouldve been significant favorite over bisping)
 
Reb said:
You have to get the top opposition before you can beat them. When he was ranked 6 or 7 they didn't give him a top 3 opponent but top 10 instead. Maybe the guys in front of him didn't want to fight him? They wouldn't gain much by beating #6 ranked Mousasi. He is as difficult as any other fighter in front of him in the rankings.
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Maybe you're right but you normally get top ranked opponents when you make a run right? Look back at his runs every time he gets on one he loses the big fight that would catapult him. Look jacare is nobody's pushover he's still one of the best mws even after he went to lhw but the way jacare mauled him. Gosh. Gegard always disappoints. Brunson loses often but Brunson loses the very best, yoel, whittaker and Israel all guys gegard never bothered with. And here's the other thing idk you can correct me but before heel gegard was born, calling weidman out successfully and all his stuff, gegard afaik never tried calling these guys out, not saying he'd get them but his silence looked complacent to me. Idk
 
Kono dio da! said:
I don't know why gegard never stepped up. There were people like Luke rockhold the samurai, romero, jacare trilogy, pre romero weidman, pre jacare whittaker etc it makes no sense that he was fighting the halls and post prime vitors of this world. Then his fans go on and say he's super great. Goat level even.
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No offense but you must be new to the UFC.

We can always argue about how good Mousasi really is but one thing for sure is that you can ALWAYS count on Mousasi to "step up". Mousasi got so tired of chasing after the MW title despite his winning streak that he went ahead and asked for a fight with DC when Jon Jones was taken off. He then offered to fight Anothony Johnson on short notice when Johnson's fight with DC fell through but Johnson turned down the offer.

He might not be the best but he's definitely got one of the biggest balls around.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
  1. @pankrat bump bump bump
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> I'd favour a good version of Mousasi over Brunson. Jab all day and maybe finds the KO. Gegard could be over the hill now though.

> Brunson's record at 185lbs is not far from Mousasi at this point imo, athough I still find Gegard's to be more impressive. If we look at fights above 185lbs too, there is no discussion about who is the greater fighter.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Half of this thread are ghost accounts lol
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Ikr?
I just thought to myself that your thread attracted lots of people who might be prone to getting off the rails when being confronted with (more or less) controversial takes.
I say more or less, because Brunson does indeed have an underrated resume.
I'm really bummed about Till losing, but that ground and pound of Derek looked absolutely vicious.
 
pankrat said:
> I'd favour a good version of Mousasi over Brunson. Jab all day and maybe finds the KO. Gegard could be over the hill now though.

> Brunson's record at 185lbs is not far from Mousasi at this point imo, athough I still find Gegard's to be more impressive. If we look at fights above 185lbs too, there is no discussion about who is the greater fighter.
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I'll say this. At the time I made this thread, I would have hands down said that Brunson is no match. And I'll still say that Moose is the technically superior fighter overall.

But it's just what you said about Darren Till. You said we hadn't seen Till tested against the level of wrestling Brunson brings. Well in the case of Mousasi we certainly have. And there have been often times in fights where Gegard's TDD is completely non existent.

Obviously Gegard can hold his own in the ground but he is usually more effective when he is the aggressor in the wrestling and grappling exchanges.

Like I said before this fight, I'm not saying 37 year old Brunson beats the Moose, but I can definitely see paths of victory for him, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Mousasi get grounded out.
 
ITsallinthegifs said:
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Also, Brunson would fuck moose up
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Really?
I think Mousasi would get taken down but he is really good at the bottom and barely takes damage. Brunson slows down terribly and has terrible striking and weak chin.

Worst case scenario Brunson wins a boring decision via lay and pray.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
I'll say this. At the time I made this thread, I would have hands down said that Brunson is no match. And I'll still say that Moose is the technically superior fighter overall.

But it's just what you said about Darren Till. You said we hadn't seen Till tested against the level of wrestling Brunson brings. Well in the case of Mousasi we certainly have. And there have been often times in fights where Gegard's TDD is completely non existent.

Obviously Gegard can hold his own in the ground but he is usually more effective when he is the aggressor in the wrestling and grappling exchanges.

Like I said before this fight, I'm not saying 37 year old Brunson beats the Moose, but I can definitely see paths of victory for him, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Mousasi get grounded out.
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I think you can't compare how much tested is Mousasi's grappling to Till's. Lke at all. Mousasi has struggled sometimes in that department but:
1. Against superior opponents than Brunson
2. In much more competitive manner than Till

I think Mousasi would be the clear favourite vs Brunson, although Derek could have some success in early rounds. Not sure about this version of Mousasi who seems to be clearly in the decline imo
 
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