International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[Koya]

Lol, what a year, eh?

And it has only begun

 

[SmilinDesperado]

No, analogy is comparing two proportional things in order to express an abstract concept in terms the other person may understand you fucking moron. Analogy isn't even an english word its greek

1+ 1 = 2

I + I = II


All these three are analogies you can't say stupid shit like


1 + 1 = 3 even though "its close enough" because the proportion is lost.



"Its ok to break the law as long as you do it in a group"

Maduro isn't considered legitimate president by a crapload of nations, so it wasn't removing a "head of State" it was more akin to taking down a local warlord for all those nations

The fuck are you on? Russia has been trying to conquer Ukraine and murder its leadership since 2022 that ship set sail and Xi Jinping made a New Year Statement calling unification as "inevitable".

These nations don't give a fuck about international law.





"You are free to be an hypocrite" says the guy that says its ok for NATO to violate international law because its "consensus" (its not).

Also don't you think the precedent of "You can commit genocide and other crimes against humanity as long as you get one of the big 5 to veto any UN resolution" is kind of worse than getting Maduro?

lol You are really going to die on this hill? Again, either English isn't your first language, or you really are this fucking stupid.
This is not a discussion on the etymology of the word. There are many words that we use in English that are derived from other languages. How do you think that point helps what you are saying? The way that word is used in English is the exact way that I used it. You either don't have a firm grasp of English and/or you're really, really fucking stupid. You don't get to unilaterally decide what is and isn't proportionate which is exactly why I told you that you disagreeing with how proportionate you think my analogy is doesn't make it not an analogy.
lol And then you add in a math chart ?

"Its ok to break the law as long as you do it in a group"

Maduro isn't considered legitimate president by a crapload of nations, so it wasn't removing a "head of State" it was more akin to taking down a local warlord for all those nations

Who do you think makes the laws, you retard? One person, or a group? When it comes to international law and countries, the law can not be enforced by a police officer or other single entity, it is instead enforced by GROUPS via economic, political, diplomatic, and as a last resort, military means.
No matter what bullshit, weaselly argument you try to use, you can not escape the illegality of it. The United States does not have the authority to unilaterally go to another country, kill members of that nation in order to "Take down a local warlord".

As I've said repeatedly---if you don't care about the legality of this--then good for you. Don't care about it. But GTFO with these bullshit arguments about warlords and your shit tier understanding of international law.
You are simultaneously trying to use international law to condone the United States' actions while saying that international law also doesn't matter.
If the crapload of nations have a problem with the legitimacy of Maduro's presidency then there are legal processes to address that---none of which are one country forcibly going into kidnap said 'warlord' and his wife, to then put on trial in that foreign country under some bullshit 'narco-terrorism' charge.

The fuck are you on? Russia has been trying to conquer Ukraine and murder its leadership since 2022 that ship set sail and Xi Jinping made a New Year Statement calling unification as "inevitable".

These nations don't give a fuck about international law.

The annoying thing about you turds is the dishonesty of your position.
At least with the likes of Stephen Miller, he is saying what he thinks with his full chest. He thinks that the US is a super power and super powers can basically do whatever they want in "their" hemisphere.
I think that's barbaric and disgusting to hear from a nation that is supposedly a champion of freedom, but, at least his position is clear.
BUT, you turds are trying to justify this by claiming to be the moral superior one that is doing this to take out the bad guy.
You either don't have the balls to say what you really think, or you don't have the brains to connect the dots of what your thinking actually results in.

There's no illusion when it comes to places like China and Russia. They are not claiming to be morally superior. China thinks Taiwan belongs to it. Russia thinks it has claim on Ukraine. The United States is acting like they're Superman protecting the innocent.
But the United States isn't fooling anyone in the international community when it does stuff like this.
This is exactly the types of actions that China and Russia and other nations will point out when anyone tries to chastise them. This is what nations like Iran and North Korea can look at when the US tries to chastise them about trying to procure nukes.

Using your primitive understanding, it's black or white. "They care/Don't care". No. That's not how this works.
There is a reason why 'norms' are important in international relations. As long as you have enough players that do give a fuck about international law, then there's only so far countries like Russia and China can not give a fuck if they want to receive the benefits of living in the modern world.
It's not 0 or 100%, a concept that so many of you seem to be incapable of understanding.
The more we show we don't give a fuck, the farther countries like China and Russia can take it. Ukraine and Taiwan didn't just happen out of nowhere. The alliances between places like China and Venezuela didn't just happen out of nowhere.
They're a direct result of the United States picking and choosing when international law matters and when it doesn't. And that results in all of these rogue nations banding together to work because they can't rely on whatever random interpretation of international law the United States wants to enforce or ignore on any given day.

 

[Rod1]

lol You are really going to die on this hill? Again, either English isn't your first language, or you really are this fucking stupid.
This is not a discussion on the etymology of the word. There are many words that we use in English that are derived from other languages. How do you think that point helps what you are saying? The way that word is used in English is the exact way that I used it. You either don't have a firm grasp of English and/or you're really, really fucking stupid. You don't get to unilaterally decide what is and isn't proportionate which is exactly why I told you that you disagreeing with how proportionate you think my analogy is doesn't make it not an analogy.
lol And then you add in a math chart ?

English word analogy means the same in Spanish and literally every single European language.

Who do you think makes the laws, you retard? One person, or a group? When it comes to international law and countries, the law can not be enforced by a police officer or other single entity, it is instead enforced by GROUPS via economic, political, diplomatic, and as a last resort, military means.
No matter what bullshit, weaselly argument you try to use, you can not escape the illegality of it. The United States does not have the authority to unilaterally go to another country, kill members of that nation in order to "Take down a local warlord".

So you think 2003 Iraq War was justified on the basis that 35 countries participated in it?

As I've said repeatedly---if you don't care about the legality of this--then good for you. Don't care about it. But GTFO with these bullshit arguments about warlords and your shit tier understanding of international law.
You are simultaneously trying to use international law to condone the United States' actions while saying that international law also doesn't matter.
If the crapload of nations have a problem with the legitimacy of Maduro's presidency then there are legal processes to address that---none of which are one country forcibly going into kidnap said 'warlord' and his wife, to then put on trial in that foreign country under some bullshit 'narco-terrorism' charge.

Because as pointed out by you, rarely will international law have unanimous consensus around the world.

The annoying thing about you turds is the dishonesty of your position.
At least with the likes of Stephen Miller, he is saying what he thinks with his full chest. He thinks that the US is a super power and super powers can basically do whatever they want in "their" hemisphere.
I think that's barbaric and disgusting to hear from a nation that is supposedly a champion of freedom, but, at least his position is clear.
BUT, you turds are trying to justify this by claiming to be the moral superior one that is doing this to take out the bad guy.

Sure man, doing something to actually stop crimes against humanity is barbaric.

You either don't have the balls to say what you really think, or you don't have the brains to connect the dots of what your thinking actually results in.

This is rich from the guy that tries to pretend that NATO bombing of Yugoslavia wasn't a war crime according to international law because "a lot of nations were ok with it"

There's no illusion when it comes to places like China and Russia. They are not claiming to be morally superior. China thinks Taiwan belongs to it. Russia thinks it has claim on Ukraine. The United States is acting like they're Superman protecting the innocent.
But the United States isn't fooling anyone in the international community when it does stuff like this.
This is exactly the types of actions that China and Russia and other nations will point out when anyone tries to chastise them. This is what nations like Iran and North Korea can look at when the US tries to chastise them about trying to procure nukes.

So let me get this straight, you think Milosevic should have been allowed to carry out genocide because otherwise Russia and China can point it out? i don't get it man

Using your primitive understanding, it's black or white. "They care/Don't care". No. That's not how this works.
There is a reason why 'norms' are important in international relations. As long as you have enough players that do give a fuck about international law, then there's only so far countries like Russia and China can not give a fuck if they want to receive the benefits of living in the modern world.
It's not 0 or 100%, a concept that so many of you seem to be incapable of understanding.
The more we show we don't give a fuck, the farther countries like China and Russia can take it. Ukraine and Taiwan didn't just happen out of nowhere. The alliances between places like China and Venezuela didn't just happen out of nowhere.
They're a direct result of the United States picking and choosing when international law matters and when it doesn't. And that results in all of these rogue nations banding together to work because they can't rely on whatever random interpretation of international law the United States wants to enforce or ignore on any given day.

If they cared about "norms" they wouldn't be supporting a murderous dictator with troops and weapons as he stole the election of its country.

They wouldn't be sending Wagner mercenaries or selling them weapons.

 

[Rod1]

double post

 

[Rod1]

@SmilinDesperado

Independent International Commission on Kosovo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just to clarify it, the Kosovo War was illegal and this is something every single country accepts as FACT.

 

[Rholk]

 

[Rod1]

You’re hallucinating.

My only comment on Kosovo was me saying i don't know much about it, cause I don't.

Unilateral action by NATO = Unilateral action by a group of 32 countries.

Mistook you for another poster.

Kosovo war was a case of "illegal but justified" as found by the independent commission created to assess the legality of the action.

So there is indeed precedent for it

 

[Rod1]

That's the most passive-aggressive tail tuck i have seen in a while

 

[Makani]

Your President is a huge loser with Alzheimer's, good luck though.

 

[DoctorTaco]

This is the American Left now... paid protesters who have zero fucking clue what they're protesting

This is fucking hilarious

Who’s paying them? How much? Proof of payment?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Your President is a huge loser with Alzheimer's, good luck though.

*fronto temporal dementia

 

[Makani]

*fronto temporal dementia

 

[SpicyJoe]

With Miss Venezuela 1998