International Denmark votes for defence bill giving US access to its airbases

Cajun said:
Hurt them
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Doesn't seem to make much sense to ask the Europeans to do not just more, but all of the support to Ukraine and all the support for refugees from our own conflicts, and bear the brunt of reprisal attacks, while we give our wealthiest a $5 trillion dollar tax break.
 
Rational Poster said:
Doesn't seem to make much sense to ask the Europeans to do not just more, but all of the support to Ukraine and all the support for refugees from our own conflicts, and bear the brunt of reprisal attacks, while we give our wealthiest a $5 trillion dollar tax break.
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I didnt say more for Ukraine. They have what they have for them at this time (without buying from us). Some has been loans though not sure the percent. I was more aware when the topic came up. But even Europeans see the need to beef up their military and soldiers. Its laxed so long places like the UK have recruiting issues and are underprepared. Overall with Russia, China, Iran, NK like you mentioned... it can't be just the US. Additionally I will add, noone has really been serious about ending the war. Just funding since the thing started. I am of the opinion that the US and NATO made a mistake inviting them to join with the possibility of putting missiles on the border and ultimately Putin deciding that was enough. Even the kinds of weapons we're giving are only so serious so is not to cause too much destruction as far as I'm aware.

As the sanctions on Russia have grown support from China has also grown. I don't think anyone's even tried to talk to China about Russia and ending this thing. I think Trump should work with Europe to bring about an end to this thing by diplomatic means. The only thing we have been doing is giving them means to continue the stalemate for years resulting in many more casualties. We already have a big defense budget and most think we should be reducing that.
 
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Cajun said:
I didnt say more for Ukraine. They have what they have for them at this time (without buying from us). Some has been loans though not sure the percent. I was more aware when the topic came up. But even Europeans see the need to beef up their military and soldiers. Its laxed so long places like the UK have recruiting issues and are underprepared. Overall with Russia, China, Iran, NK like you mentioned... it can't be just the US. Additionally I will add, noone has really been serious about ending the war. Just funding since the thing started. I am of the opinion that the US and NATO made a mistake inviting them to the UN with the possibility of putting missiles on the border and ultimately Putin deciding that was enough. Even the kinds of weapons we're giving are only so serious so is not to cause too much destruction as far as I'm aware.

As the sanctions on Russia have grown support from China has also grown. I don't think anyone's even tried to talk to China about Russia and ending this thing. I think Trump should work with Europe to bring about an end to this thing by diplomatic means. The only thing we have been doing is giving them means to continue the stalemate for years resulting in many more casualties. We already have a big defense budget and most think we should be reducing that.
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I mean there's so much wrong in this post I'm not even going to bother with it.
 
@Cajun It's not possible to diplomatically end the dispute in Ukraine without Ukraine ceding territory, which is unacceptable IMO. Bullies only respond to force. Russia putting all that effort and resources into fighting Ukraine is weakening them. This is a good thing for the west. Let them slow bleed for a while. Fuck 'em. It's a good investment for the U.S.
 
Crazy Source said:
@Cajun It's not possible to diplomatically end the dispute in Ukraine without Ukraine ceding territory, which is unacceptable IMO. Bullies only respond to force. Russia putting all that effort and resources into fighting Ukraine is weakening them. This is a good thing for the west. Let them slow bleed for a while. Fuck 'em. It's a good investment for the U.S.
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Russia hasn't put their whole force as far as I'm aware. But no one even tried to bring the two sides to the table to discuss. I don't think you're going to get pre-2014. But at least let's see what we can be done.
Rational Poster said:
I mean there's so much wrong in this post I'm not even going to bother with it.
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Cheers
 
Cajun said:
Russia hasn't put their whole force as far as I'm aware. But no one even tried to bring the two sides to the table to discuss.
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Putin doesn't want to discuss peace. He is the invader. He wants lands. Anything else is a loss. And while Russia may not have gone "all-in", I'm not sure how drawing out the war when you could end it more quickly works in Russia's favor. I'm no expert in this stuff, though. Just making convo. :)
 
Crazy Source said:
Putin doesn't want to discuss peace. He is the invader. He wants lands. Anything else is a loss. And while Russia may not have gone "all-in", I'm not sure how drawing out the war when you could end it more quickly works in Russia's favor. I'm no expert in this stuff, though. Just making convo. :)
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Sure, no worries. At one point he did seem so. Whether that's changed with Trumps rhetoric will see. But its been a stalemate for quite a long time now and seemed to be open. I dont know why he has not used all of his resources but he has maintained positions elsewhere and hasnt pulled from them. How long he could go on? Unknown. But lives are lost.
 
Cajun said:
I didnt say more for Ukraine. They have what they have for them at this time (without buying from us). Some has been loans though not sure the percent. I was more aware when the topic came up. But even Europeans see the need to beef up their military and soldiers. Its laxed so long places like the UK have recruiting issues and are underprepared. Overall with Russia, China, Iran, NK like you mentioned... it can't be just the US. Additionally I will add, noone has really been serious about ending the war. Just funding since the thing started. I am of the opinion that the US and NATO made a mistake inviting them to the UN with the possibility of putting missiles on the border and ultimately Putin deciding that was enough. Even the kinds of weapons we're giving are only so serious so is not to cause too much destruction as far as I'm aware.

As the sanctions on Russia have grown support from China has also grown. I don't think anyone's even tried to talk to China about Russia and ending this thing. I think Trump should work with Europe to bring about an end to this thing by diplomatic means. The only thing we have been doing is giving them means to continue the stalemate for years resulting in many more casualties. We already have a big defense budget and most think we should be reducing that.
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Ukraine is in UN since USSR era btw.

If about NATO : mainstream media customers doesn't know that Ukraine despite loud talks , had did actual de Militarization deFacto 1991-2022 th.

Also, they in 2021 th cryed that WEST doesn't sell them any heavy weapons ( for example countries like Morocco and Egypt were allowed de facto to purchase ) AND huelensky propaganda for ukrainians was different world . .for voters in ukrainem....

Yes, west allowed them to talk, however didn't had even invited.

If country doesn't sell you mortar then only huelensky and russians might dream that such country might ...install bases in your country.

Ofc usual ppl are easy to brainwash and they doesn't cares to research topic.

Ryssian excueses westerners bought easily despite russians are taught during generations to hate westerners and that westerners are stupid POS...yes, reality is this.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
It is an amazing quote

Multiple countries commit to more spending because of Trump. That is a win and something Trump has talked about for decades. Even better if investing in US companies.

And people might say, “hey but that is just the military industrial complex winning!, MAGA is full of shit because they hate the military industrial complex!”

No, the difference is we love military. and being the best, but if it is foreign country defense, let them pay for it and we supply it. Win-win. Not we pay for it all and do everything.




www.politico.eu

Trump’s 5 percent defense spending target seemed far-fetched. Now not so much.

NATO defense ministers in Brussels are expected to pave the way for a new defense spending goal — the questions are now when, and how.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

Like why did they not want to spend this much with Biden leading the fight for democracy worldl wide and blah blah blah.

Because they expected us, the American tax payer to underwrite their whole operation. Now they will at least be funding us much more
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100%. Trump laid this out and executed. Dems seething.
 
If about supposed " bad ukr armed by bad west " I always had to laugh. Tale designed for plebs.
Huelensky ofc is special specimen together with his office too.

Ukr was lucky that NATO countries didn't had supplied mobile crematoriums and cardboard coffins.

Yes, one country donated 90 short range ATGM launchers and some infantry weapons, sorry it doesn't makes sense uses soldier 5.45 mm or 5.56 mm assault rifle.
While refused to sell MANPADS and even had 0 reaction after requests to sell 120 mm mortars.

And yes, this country had valid excuse: Ukraine had scrapped more than 2000 MANPADS launchers and in 1990 ies and early 2000 ies acted as strategic weapons supplier for ...nRussia.
They even when had pro kremlin oriented government, had together with Russia conducted joint military exercises HOW to fight vs NATO.
Most notable outcome from these exercises was Siberian Airlines & S-200 accident.
 
Why for example Ukraine can't have NATO bases for example?

We do have Belarus with Chinesse engineers and Chinesse missiles stationed, more than this, belarus is manufacturing chinesse missiles clones and inviting Iranian engineers and North Korean specialists to visit Belarus.

Yes, they does have chinesse missiles...since 2018 th.
 
Cajun said:
Sure, no worries. At one point he did seem so. Whether that's changed with Trumps rhetoric will see. But its been a stalemate for quite a long time now and seemed to be open. I dont know why he has not used all of his resources but he has maintained positions elsewhere and hasnt pulled from them. How long he could go on? Unknown. But lives are lost.
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This is all Russia's fault. Yes, there are lives being lost, but what do you suggest? Ukraine to give up land? Fuck that. You can't placate a bully. They will always want more. Ukraine wants to fight, so we should support our ally. There will be no more lives lost when Russia goes the fuck back from where they came from.
 
SandisLL said:
Ukraine is in UN since USSR era btw.

If about NATO : mainstream media customers doesn't know that Ukraine despite loud talks , had did actual de Militarization deFacto 1991-2022 th.

Also, they in 2021 th cryed that WEST doesn't sell them any heavy weapons ( for example countries like Morocco and Egypt were allowed de facto to purchase ) AND huelensky propaganda for ukrainians was different world . .for voters in ukrainem....

Yes, west allowed them to talk, however didn't had even invited.

If country doesn't sell you mortar then only huelensky and russians might dream that such country might ...install bases in your country.

Ofc usual ppl are easy to brainwash and they doesn't cares to research topic.

Ryssian excueses westerners bought easily despite russians are taught during generations to hate westerners and that westerners are stupid POS...yes, reality is this.
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Hahaha. Sorry. Meant Nato. Out and about but will respond the rest later
 
One from reasons why europe can't supply more air defense stuff and MRLS equipment is Belarus.

Belarus is producing MRLS launchers Polonez and Polonez M with assistance by chinesse engineers.
They even had sold some for Azerbaijan for good $.

If compare with Polonez Smerch is kinder garden level.

Polonez launcher might use 8 missiles with range 200 km or 290 km, Belarus is producing these missiles in cooperation with China and under chinesse engineers guidance.
Even worse, such launcher easily might get adopted to launch chinesse ballistic missiles with range 200-450 km...

So europe isn't concerned so much about possible Iskander, it is estimated that might be maybe 20-25-30 in Belarus , rather than stuff Belarus does have for Polonez, there are in best caase maybe just more than 200 missiles produced, in dreams. More likely approx 1000-1500. Sad reality.

Yes, therefore Poland and Baltic countries can't deplete but should increase stockpiles for a reason.

Lukashenko once in open text told that he maybe might decide to do preventive strike on Poland without any warning...to hit vital objects.

With Baltic countries he didn't had told this because Lukashenko does have beautiful large transformators in arty fire range from them and GPS spoofing / jamming can't help to protect them if there will be war.
 
Despite Lukashenko does all the best in his ability to support small special operation in Ukraine, even had supplied tanks ( he had confirmed this in open and plain simple text in 2022 th ) ... looks that 60 SCUD launchers and missiles for these aren't in usable condition...therefore we don't see these used. in Ukraine. About Polonez most likely he can't export these without permit from XI ( China ).
While he might if will get in mad mode order to use them for shelling from Belarus territory.
 
Now thing Belarus and North Korea badly wants is to build drones factories with assistance from Iranian engineers.
Lukashenko in open text 2 years ago had told that Iranian drones are good and Belarus needs to build factory to produce such things. He is hoping that drones might have range more than 2000 km.

Actually worst thing here is that he doesn't even needs to build factories buildings: they does have a lot of mortage owned by government and also buildings where they might install equipment quickly without big problems.
 

We're safe now, but not in three-five years, Nato's Rutte warns as he urges Europe to ramp up spending, production​

Meanwhile in Rome, the leaders taking part in the Weimar+ meeting took part in a press conference summing up their talks.

Speaking there, Nato secretary general Mark Rutte said Europe “needs to ramp up our defence spending,” noting the German chief of defence’s comments that Russia could be ready by 2029 or 2030 to test Nato’s resolve in defending its territory.

“We are safe now. We are not safe three to five years from now, so we have to spend more,” he said.

He also stressed Europe needed to increase its defence industrial production. “We need more shifts, more production lines,” he said.

On Ukraine, he said “we need to make sure Ukraine is in the best possible position to … maintain [its response] to the unprovoked Russian aggression,” and to negotiate a future peace deal so “Putin never tries this again.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...0814dfee5fe9a0#block-684ad3698f0814dfee5fe9a0
 
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