International Denmark votes for defence bill giving US access to its airbases

[Prutfis]

There has historically been lots of military exchange between DK and US. Heck my dad (Danish pilot) was flying F-16s for the 311th at Luke Afb in 86

 

[Cherry Brigand]

Ima act like I'm at IHOP.

You'd bus her table?

 

[Seano]

Cool. That's a pancake ass, though.

Needs more cottage cheese cellulite?

 

[Evbo]

You'd bus her table?

I'd something her something, that's for sure

 

[Cajun]

U.S spendings anyway should be more because they does have large aircraft carriers and submarine fleet.

Also U.S always had oppressed their allies to develop more effective weapons and pushed flowchart that very expensive stuff better is to purchase from U.S, while always had loved Russia and their responsibility is shit with ITAR and MTCR , despite americans aways loved Russia and appeased their bottlemates.
Why europe can't have bottlemate in XI? os yanks will be angry ?????

The US spends more but doesnt mean Europe spends nothing and has very little in the way of trained military personnel. I struggled a bit with the last bit brotha.

 

[SandisLL]

The US spends more but doesnt mean Europe spends nothing and has very little in the way of trained military personnel. I struggled a bit with the last bit brotha.

About ukr asking to sell air defense stuff they had told : let's ask europe.
Despite for example Patriot missiles does produce only U.S and Japan. And Ukr does have batteries and low number of missiles for them.
Even IF europe will supply Ukr missiles they had purchased and paid for, this will take time until U.S will sign re export permit. Because they are selling them with clauses in sales contracts.
And unfortunatley they cryed that might produce approx 650 missiles ( PAC-3 and it's versions ) per 1 year...

Jesus, then if it is reality, maybe Ukrsine really better had minerals deal with XI and other deals.

1 launcher does have 16 missiles for PAC -3 versions, battery is usually 6 or 8 launchers...
16x6 =?
16x8 =?
And it is just 1 full cycle for battery. Dear God.

 

[ShadowRun]

Sounds like a good deal, it will help the AF base in Greenland with logistics as well.

 

[SandisLL]

One from tools U.S had used against their allies ( difference between ally and " partner " de facto is that partner is business partner or sex partner in reality, but ally definition is that ties are on basis because legal binding type agreement ).
U.S during decades had used for example MTCR stuff in order to oppress their Allies ( not just partners ) to purchase a lot of stuff.

MTCR isn't any kind of hardcore treaty or binding agreement. It is used by nuclear armed countries in order to prevent their allies to purchase or develop such kind of conventional(@) technologies.
For violation of this bullshit noise are 0 sanctions ....

It is voluntary agreement not to sell any kind of missiles * cruise or ballistic * with warhead heavier than 500 kg and / or with range more than 300 km.

While Kim, Iran, Russia etc de facto might do what they want to do.

 

[SandisLL]

ITAR is even more fun and re export clauses too.

So if for eaxpmle Denmark had purchased some stuff from U.S and wants to sell or send somewhere, they even if stuff had been purchased 1 year ago or 30 years ago, will need to get ..permits from U.S instituitions. Doesn't makes sense had been purchased and paid for day ago or 30 years ago.

 

[Crazy Source]

You'd bus her table?

Tough room. Now my feelings are hurt........

 

[Rational Poster]

Just because America is the best doesnt mean everyone else do nothing. They are free to buy weapons/ammo from us but the notion that Europe's lack of spending on defense is fine because the US will take care of it is ludicrous. Your last statement is exactly why everyone needs to contribute.

This is silly to say while the current administration is in the process of trying to abandon Ukraine.

They're not asking for contribution, which the Europeans are already contributing more than we are, they're asking for Europe to take over.

I didn't say they should do nothing, pretty silly straw man. This idea they're not contributing enough is just wrong.

 

[Cajun]

This is silly to say while the current administration is in the process of trying to abandon Ukraine.

They're not asking for contribution, which the Europeans are already contributing more than we are, they're asking for Europe to take over.

I didn't say they should do nothing, pretty silly straw man. This idea they're not contributing enough is just wrong.

I was speaking to overall military defense spending and soldiers. Not particularly Ukraine. For some reason I thought that was the topic.

 

[Rational Poster]

I was speaking to overall military and defense spending. Not particularly Ukraine. For some reason I thought that was the topic.

Every European country that matters was hitting or exceeding their defense spending targets before Trump even took office this term.

That's not even getting into the financial, humanitarian and support for refugees from our wars and Ukraine.

It's also ignoring the fact that they've suffered the overwhelming majority of reprisal attacks from our own actions. It's not American Christmas festivals getting targeted every year by jihadis.

 

[Cajun]

About ukr asking to sell air defense stuff they had told : let's ask europe.
Despite for example Patriot missiles does produce only U.S and Japan. And Ukr does have batteries and low number of missiles for them.
Even IF europe will supply Ukr missiles they had purchased and paid for, this will take time until U.S will sign re export permit. Because they are selling them with clauses in sales contracts.
And unfortunatley they cryed that might produce approx 650 missiles ( PAC-3 and it's versions ) per 1 year...

Jesus, then if it is reality, maybe Ukrsine really better had minerals deal with XI and other deals.

1 launcher does have 16 missiles for PAC -3 versions, battery is usually 6 or 8 launchers...
16x6 =?
16x8 =?
And it is just 1 full cycle for battery. Dear God.

A lot of this stuff I can't speak to. China will not deal with Ukraine as they are aligned to Russia. I don't know how much existing that Europe has that you are speaking to. I have been ok with US support of Ukraine but I hope a deal is reached. Seems like before, both sides seemed eager. Im not so much for helping Ukraine as stopping Russia from doing what it wants.

 

[Cajun]

Every European country that matters was hitting or exceeding their defense spending targets before Trump even took office this term.

That's not even getting into the financial, humanitarian and support for refugees from our wars and Ukraine.

It's also ignoring the fact that they've suffered the overwhelming majority of reprisal attacks from our own actions. It's not American Christmas festivals getting targeted every year by jihadis.

I have read since about European military decline and lack of trained soldiers especially (that part takes years). I have also read lots of countries are behind their targets but this was back when the topic was fresh. Should Russia push into other european countries Ive read it will be an issue. So increased military is warranted. Im also good with supporting our allies. I think its the only way to reign in China and Russia.

 

[Rational Poster]

I have read since about European military decline and lack of trained soldiers especially. I have also read lots of countries are behind their targets but this was back when the topic was fresh. Im also good with supporting our allies. I think its the only way to reign in China and Russia.

There's more than one way to contribute besides just having troops, the current conflict in Ukraine doesn't require any of our own soldiers even. EU is currently housing and providing for 13 million refugees from our conflicts!! This is not free. Germany and Turkey are housing over 3 million each on their own. That would be like America housing over 12 million refugees, instead in America we accept only 65,000 refugees per year despite being responsible for the majority of displacements.

It was nearly 15 years ago when most countries were behind their spending targets.. it started changing around 2014 during the first invasion of Ukraine and most countries today are meeting or exceeding targets, especially those countries closest to Russia.

We have the arms and then some to provide to Ukraine, the Trump administration is deliberately holding up and diverting equipment already approved by Congress to send to Ukraine.

The Big Beautiful Bill has $0 for Ukraine.

 

[Cajun]

There's more than one way to contribute besides just having troops, the current conflict in Ukraine doesn't require any of our own soldiers even. EU is currently housing and providing for 13 million refugees from our conflicts!! This is not free. Germany and Turkey are housing over 3 million each on their own. That would be like America housing over 12 million refugees, instead in America we accept only 65,000 refugees per year despite being responsible for the majority of displacements.

It was nearly 15 years ago when most countries were behind their spending targets.. it started changing around 2014 during the first invasion of Ukraine and most countries today are meeting or exceeding targets, especially those countries closest to Russia.

We have the arms and then some to provide to Ukraine, the Trump administration is deliberately holding up and diverting equipment already approved by Congress to send to Ukraine.

The Big Beautiful Bill has $0 for Ukraine.

Is this thread only about Ukraine? If that's the case then we can focus there. I've said in the Ukraine thread that while they are corrupt, I am for keeping Russia out of Europe. If Trump can get Russia and Ukraine to reach a deal fine. Im not for abandoning them. I am for a strong alliance with Europe.

Most would agree though that Eurorpe in its current state is not ready for war. Taking on refugees from places like Syria is a task and likely better to keep them in their country and provide aid and support imo. But they make their own choices there.

 

[Rational Poster]

Is this thread only about Ukraine? If that's the case then we can focus there. I've said in the Ukraine thread that while they are corrupt, I am for keeping Russia out of Europe. If Trump can get Russia and Ukraine to reach a deal fine. Im not for abandoning them. I am for a strong alliance with Europe.

Most would agree though that Eurorpe in its current state is not ready for war. Taking on refugees from places like Syria is a task and likely better to keep them in their country and provide aid and support imo. But they make their own choices there.

I would say in relation to European military spending, the Ukraine war would certainly be the focus.

It's not just Syrian refugees they're providing for, it's refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other places where American foreign policy has messed things up. And of course refugees from Ukraine.

How is appropriating $0 for Ukraine aid for FY 2025 going to help keep Russia out of Europe?

Why are you alright with already approved funding and equipment for Ukraine being delayed and diverted?

 

[Cajun]

I would say in relation to European military spending, the Ukraine war would certainly be the focus.

It's not just Syrian refugees they're providing for, it's refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other places where American foreign policy has messed things up. And of course refugees from Ukraine.

How is appropriating $0 for Ukraine aid for FY 2025 going to help keep Russia out of Europe?

Why are you alright with already approved funding and equipment for Ukraine being delayed and diverted?

I know Syria is the most especially in Turkey. I do not think taking refugees at that level has been a good thing for Europe. I have said I am not for abandoning Ukraine indefinitely. I am for keeping Russia out. If there is a deal to be struck as its been a stalemate for quite a while then I want that. I dont support everything Trump says or does even if I agree with some of his points.

 

[Rational Poster]

I know Syria is the most especially in Turkey. I have said I am not for abandoning Ukraine indefinitely. I am for keeping Russia out. If there is a deal to be struck as its been a stalemate for quite a while then I want that. I dont support everything Trump says or does even if I agree with some of his points.

Do you think $0 in aid for a full fiscal year is going to help or hurt Ukraine?