Economy Democrats have done a demonstrably superior job, during the same period, of managing the economy.

[Ichibanner]

In the end the party in power doesn't matter that much. If you have a city with tons of poor people with little education and tons of criminals, such as Detroit, there isn't much the mayor can do to save it.
These cities elect Democrats because their demographics traditionally vote democrat.
Similarly you can find extremely rich and peaceful communities in the Northeast that only vote Democrat and they don't morph into a dystopian nightmare.

I will agree that many cities tend to have a demographic that traditionally vote Democrat. There are rich and peaceful communities but they tend to be within short driving distances of the nightmare. Towson is 18 minutes from Baltimore. Alexandria, VA. is 19 minutes away from DC.

Don't you think that 40 years or more in some cases is enough time to address the problems and implement solutions especially if you have nobody opposing your policies?

Poverty - Lack of jobs, lack of manufacturing. Demand school sports participation be tied to academic achievement. Tax breaks inviting corporations, offer job training / vocational schooling.

Homelessness - Address above issue. Do away with predatory lending practices. Create low interest lending programs for first time home owners.

Crime - Add increased police presence in bad neighborhoods. Apply "broken window" theory. Bring back curfews. Have enhanced sentencing for violent crimes and firearm related crimes.

 

[deadon]

Dow 32,300 down 537 right now.
Nas 11,700 down 400 right now
SP 4000 down 100 right now.

Hell of a job!

 

[Jack V Savage]

Thanks for your response. Here in Europe we still have some Reagan fans so sometimes his economics come drifting to the surface. But I guess it was a more broader trend and he just made it popular. The whole neoliberal economics view ofc already started earlier and did a lot of damage.

I don't think "the whole neoliberal economics view" is really clearly defined. Overregulation can happen, but indiscriminate deregulation (or particular types of deregulation) can also be harmful. Taxes do cause some loss, but some hurt more than others (and some can be beneficial). Most downturns are caused by demand-side weakness, but supply shortages can happen (we're seeing it now, BTW). Though regressive tax cuts don't actually have much of a supply-side impact, and what impact they do have are often negative. For example, we're feeling some pain from the Trump cuts now (higher deficits were the right call from around 2000 to 2018, but the right thing now is lower deficits, ideally from higher taxes). The best thing we could do to expand capacity in the short term is increase immigration. So it's complicated. That's why specific policy actions tailored to the specific needs of the economy at any given moment is a superior approach than "at all times, the best policy is giving more money to rich people."

 

[Ichibanner]

Comparing cities to a whole countries is apples to oranges.

But it’s interwoven, i’ll try and explain a little bit;
Cities attract people, more people means more problems. But let’s take an example. A lot of these tent cities and homelessness stems from the 07/08 financial crisis mostly by republicans fault. So the first place you’ll see this effect is in big cities. So whose fault is it that there are tent cities in democrats run cities? The democrats or the republicans who started the problem in the first place. So comparing cities to a whole country just isn’t that simple.

The 07/08 financial crisis didn't seem to negatively affect states like Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia, North Dakota, and Iowa which have the lowest per capita homeless rates. These states have alternated Governor party rule in the past 3 decades or so. Meanwhile, DC, New York, California, and Oregon have the highest per capita homeless rates and all but California have been true Blue Dem in Governor elections for three or so decades.

If Dems can't fix city level issues and / or state level issues of job availability, drug programs that work, effective law enforcement, and overseeing a housing market that meets the needs of the population at a state or city level why would anyone think the party as a whole has solutions to greater problems?

I'm not a Republican. I think Bill Clinton did some good things. I also realize Dem and Republican led Congress were at play during his tenure. This quoted article from the OP doesn't tell the whole story and living near Democrat controlled cities has shown me that single parties are never the answer. I'm within driving distance of DC and pass Baltimore every time I visit family in PA.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The 07/08 financial crisis didn't seem to negatively affect states like Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia, North Dakota, and Iowa which have the lowest per capita homeless rates. These states have alternated Governor party rule in the past 3 decades or so. Meanwhile, DC, New York, California, and Oregon have the highest per capita homeless rates and all but California have been true Blue Dem in Governor elections for three or so decades.

Homelessness is primarily an issue of housing costs. In that sense a good economy is actually bad if it doesn't result in a corresponding increase in housing supply. That's not related to national-level policy (though it ideally would be). In terms of local politics, that often is one of the big divides. Like here in the SF Bay Area, Democrats are pretty dominant, but you still have major fights between people who want to allow more construction and people who oppose it. While I think "landowners should have the power to call on gov't force to prevent change in their areas" is inherently right-wing, in terms of local politics, it's not really left/right coded (you have a lot of NIMBYs who are self-described socialists, who think they're fighting against "greedy developers" rather than on behalf of capital owners.

 

[Rod1]

And you’re a master of being a woke dipshit. You’re no different than a cult follower. Woke is your religion. You may be the loudest and the most obnoxious in America, but you make up only a tiny fraction of the electorate. Thank god.

What relation is there between woke dipshit and the economy?

 

[Rod1]

What a dishonest attempt at an “argument”. This is def a case where stats are used in a dishonest fashion. 1/10

Care to explain how stats are being used in a dishonest fashion?

 

[Source]

ts with the same type of bait threads as usual.
he can't make threads about dudes showing their dicks to children anymore since some mods probably had a talk with him about it and promptly deleted his degenerate shit, so now he's just baiting people and playing all surprised at the answers.

we all know what you are.

What does that say about the simpletons that are so easily baited?

 

[Jack V Savage]

The two presidents that were in charge of the largest periods of economic growth in US history were Trump and Reagan. Coincidentally, they both had to rescue it from 2 very poor predecessors. To this date, Obama remains the second worst US President in history.

This is another remarkable post. The guy doesn't even think to check the statement or that anyone else can check it in literally less than five seconds (GDP growth under Trump averaged 1.03%/yr and never hit 3% in a single year, compared to 1.59% under Obama; under Reagan, it was 3.59%, which is good but not as good as, for example, Clinton, who saw 3.89%, and way below FDR, who saw an average of 9.3% growth per year across all his presidency--JFK and LBJ also "were in charge of (larger) periods of economic growth" than Reagan, as Biden has been so far). Of course, the claim that presidents are primarily responsible for the rate of growth during their time in office is silly, but at least get the facts right before making your argument.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Care to explain how stats are being used in a dishonest fashion?

A "dishonest" argument is one that Republicans don't like.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

What does that say about the simpletons that are so easily baited?

this doesn't concern you. move along.

 

[Source]

this doesn't concern you. move along.

I don’t take walking orders from euro trash.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I don’t take walking orders from euro trash.

sure you do. you take it all the time.
and then you run to the mods to cry about it who then have to contact members to plead with them to stop "harassing" you.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I will agree that many cities tend to have a demographic that traditionally vote Democrat. There are rich and peaceful communities but they tend to be within short driving distances of the nightmare. Towson is 18 minutes from Baltimore. Alexandria, VA. is 19 minutes away from DC.

Don't you think that 40 years or more in some cases is enough time to address the problems and implement solutions especially if you have nobody opposing your policies?

Poverty - Lack of jobs, lack of manufacturing. Demand school sports participation be tied to academic achievement. Tax breaks inviting corporations, offer job training / vocational schooling.

Homelessness - Address above issue. Do away with predatory lending practices. Create low interest lending programs for first time home owners.

Crime - Add increased police presence in bad neighborhoods. Apply "broken window" theory. Bring back curfews. Have enhanced sentencing for violent crimes and firearm related crimes.

I mean, the problem is that these people, including criminals that weren't convicted yet, are the ones voting and electing each other. The party at the national level doesn't influence as much. Not long ago a bunch of candidates for Detroit were convicted felons and the main problem there isn't bad policy by itself but corruption.

See that guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick
He is a literal criminal. Racketeering and wire fraud aren't Democratic policy. His problem isn't his party, it's him. And people elected him. It's entirely possible he could've run as a Republican and he would still be a criminal. Funnily enough he had his sentence commuted by Trump himself.

If Detroit was run by honest Democrats it would be doing much better.

 

[Source]

sure you do. you take it all the time.
and then you run to the mods to cry about it who then have to contact members to plead with them to stop "harassing" you.

Why would I have to plead with mods to deal with a simple minded easily baited euro trash like yourself?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Why would I have to plead with mods to deal with a simple minded easily baited euro trash like yourself?

somebody's getting upset
don't forget to slam the report button at least 10 times today, like the bitch we all know you are.

 

[Source]

somebody's getting upset
don't forget to slam the report button at least 10 times today, like the bitch we all know you are.

Youre projecting

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Youre projecting

right

 

[Source]

right

Stay safe bud.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Stay safe bud.

stay reporting.