Elections Democratic Road to 2016 Primary Thread

Possum Jenkins said:
LOL.

I see the Hillary political machine is already working on making her likable. To the left of Bill. Like that means anything.

Give me evidence that she's to the left of Obama and we have a deal. Shit, left of Kerry would be nice.
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Obama ran left of her in the primary. Bill and Obama's followings are different groups though. I'm sure the people who romanticize Bill's term likely do it because they don't like the current administrations policy. The same vice versa as Obama got pushed ahead of Clinton by people who didn't see promise from Bill's term.

The followings are divided.
 
Sneak peek inside Hillary Clinton 2016: There's no 'I' in campaign
The second time around, Hillary Clinton is downsizing.

As she and a coterie of advisers prepare to launch her presidential campaign, their work is guided by a new set of humble principles: No big crowds. Few soaring rallies. Less mention of her own ambitions. And extinguish the air of inevitability propelling her candidacy.

The long and winding prelude to her announcement is nearly over, according to aides, and the start of her second bid for the White House is likely only days away. Top Democratic activists in the early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire privately say they have been placed on alert that Clinton will soon be on her way.
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Possum Jenkins said:
LOL.

I see the Hillary political machine is already working on making her likable. To the left of Bill. Like that means anything.

Give me evidence that she's to the left of Obama and we have a deal. Shit, left of Kerry would be nice.
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Hillary was the 11th most liberal member of the Senate when she was there. Obama was 19th. Kerry was 15th.

http://www.voteview.com/SENATE_SORT110.HTM
 
Denter said:
Its hard not to be to the left of Bill Clinton (famous centrist and weather-vane politician) in a democratic primary. Not sure that article really means anything.
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It's an opinion article stating Hilary isn't the centrist Bill was and the GOP's job will be to make sure voters understand that since Bill's approval rating are very high.
 
ShoelessRye said:
Hillary was the 11th most liberal member of the Senate when she was there. Obama was 19th. Kerry was 15th.

http://www.voteview.com/SENATE_SORT110.HTM
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Yeah, I remember reading about that. In some other poll, Kerry was something like #1 or #2 most liberal.

Those things should be taken with a grain of salt because they weigh all votes evenly. So, for example, voting against the Iraq invasion is just as liberal and counts just as much as voting for furthering abortion access.

But we know that one is much more meaningful than the other.

A more qualitative analysis fit best, IMO. Hillary's ties with Wall Street and her war mongering are huge and they way overshadow any support she may give for, say, women's equality or for ending police brutality or something.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Yeah, I remember reading about that. In some other poll, Kerry was something like #1 or #2 most liberal.

Those things should be taken with a grain of salt because they weigh all votes evenly. So, for example, voting against the Iraq invasion is just as liberal and counts just as much as voting for furthering abortion access.

But we know that one is much more meaningful than the other.

A more qualitative analysis fit best, IMO. Hillary's ties with Wall Street and her war mongering are huge and they way overshadow any support she may give for, say, women's equality or for ending police brutality or something.
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Fivethirtyeight does analysis where they factor in the ideology of their donors, voting record, and press releases to come up with where a politician is on the spectrum. From what I've seen, it really works well. I think theres a site that did this but I can't remember the name. You can view any top politicians you want to see where they position them.
 
Lead Salad said:
Fivethirtyeight does analysis where they factor in the ideology of their donors, voting record, and press releases to come up with where a politician is on the spectrum. From what I've seen, it really works well. I think theres a site that did this but I can't remember the name. You can view any top politicians you want to see where they position them.
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I think I found it. Good stuff.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...e-most-liberal-democratic-nominee-since-1972/



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Interesting how similar Gore, Kerry, Obama, Hillary and Biden are on the voting part. Also, pretty surprised at how liberal Hillary's donors are (though I'd like to see what qualifies a donor as "liberal" or "conservative.")

I'd also forgotten how conservative Gore was. I guess I mostly remember him as an environmentalist guy, and those are pretty left in this day and age.
 
^Probably never. Because it greatly benefits the incumbent more than any one party. Same reason politicians will never vote for redistricting overhaul for House seats.
 
Julian Castro Is in VP Training Camp
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He apologized for the makeup still half-caked on his face. He had come from another interview, he explains to a small group of reporters invited to hear him discuss his vision for HUD, the Department of Housing and Urban Development that he has been leading for about eight months. Tapped for the job last summer by a lame duck president and by definition a short-termer, HUD Secretary Julian Castro wants to make the most of the time he
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^He'd be a terrible choice and would cause Hillary's judgement to be seriously questioned. He's not remotely qualified to be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency" only being San Antonio Mayor and now a low level Cabinet secretary (HUD). It would be Palin-esque in the obvious pander attempt. Hillary is not a young woman herself and has had some health issues with her fainting spells and the like, she needs a two term governor or sitting second term+ Senator or long time congressperson as her running mate.

Castro could have a higher role in her cabinet, grooming him to take on George Prescott Bush in 2024 sorta deal, but he's not VP ready now, not by a long shot.
 
ShoelessRye said:
^He'd be a terrible choice and would cause Hillary's judgement to be seriously questioned. He's not remotely qualified to be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency" only being San Antonio Mayor and now a low level Cabinet secretary (HUD). It would be Palin-esque in the obvious pander attempt. Hillary is not a young woman herself and has had some health issues with her fainting spells and the like, she needs a two term governor or sitting second term+ Senator or long time congressperson as her running mate.

Castro could have a higher role in her cabinet, grooming him to take on George Prescott Bush in 2024 sorta deal, but he's not VP ready now, not by a long shot.
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Do you think she wouldn't pick a younger candidate to offset her age? Do you think her age doesn't affect her that much?
 
She needs a eminently qualified VP because of her age. I don't think having a young runningmate offset would make any difference. I don't think her age affects how people will view her as a Presidential Candidate/President other than wanting a ready on day one VP "just in case". It's not really his age, but his resume/experience level here. If you has a 40 yr old two term governor or something I'd be fine with it. If she was looking at a 60 yr old who was a midsize city Mayor and low level cabinet secretary for a couple years I'd have issue with that.
 
The problem any of these other candidates will face is they can't raise nearly enough money. Also, Castro shouldn't be the VP at all. Being a mayor isn't enough experience and the HUD position does nothing.
 
Diamond Jim said:
The problem any of these other candidates will face is they can't raise nearly enough money. Also, Castro shouldn't be the VP at all. Being a mayor isn't enough experience and the HUD position does nothing.
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He even said the HUD position does nothing for him politically.
 
Only think HUD did was get him into Washington connection scene, and confirmed by the Senate to the lower tier cabinet position so when he's put before them for confirmation for a upper echelon one it will be harder for them to block him. His political career was otherwise roadblocked in Texas anyways, so Dems have to groom him a different route.
 
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