Defending against hip throws

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

How do i avoid being hip thrown?
I've been training with this pretty good highschool wrestler, and he is always doing hit throws on me.
How do i defend against this?

 

[Zankou]

If you are being thrown it’s because you are losing the fight for grips and posture.

Late defenses are useless.

Get good grips and keep your arms tight. To defend the throw either posture up and bang into the guy with your hip or circle around.

If he doesn’t have your far arm gripped well it will be very very hard for him to throw you.

 

[rmongler]

Sometimes, the best throw defense is throw him first.

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

If you are being thrown it’s because you are losing the fight for grips and posture.

Late defenses are useless.

Get good grips and keep your arms tight. To defend the throw either posture up and bang into the guy with your hip or circle around.

If he doesn’t have your far arm gripped well it will be very very hard for him to throw you.

Thanks, what kinda grips should i go for?

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

Sometimes, the best throw defense is throw him first.

Ill give it a shot!

 

[Gabicho]

There's a few principles that generally help, but without context it's like saying "keep your arms tucked in to not get armbarred by a BJJ blackbelt"... So strategy is worthless without tactics and technique.
What's your background?
If you're from BJJ, I'm 99% sure you're getting tossed left and right because you use the hunched monkey double grip BJJ stance. It's a specialty even amongst blackbelts.
Try standing upright while doing a "combat" stance and grip fighting.
By upright I don't mean like a pole or a giraffe, but looking forward, your nose never further than your knees, not hunching and not stretching your arms out.
That is always a good start for people not familiar with wrestling/judo/Sambo.
That gives you mobility and the possibility to a) move your hips away from your opponent and b) counter with pickups, sweeps, your own hip throws.
If it's no gi, then you need to still stay upright but with a lower stance. You'll see that all good wrestlers can change levels but will never be hunched over or looking at the floor.
Just by not hunching you'll avoid a lot of hip tosses. And then they'll start to double leg you, doing lateral drops, sacrifice throws, body locks and suplexes. And so on.
But it's one of the most important things to learn, and one of the most difficult things to unlearn for BJJ people.

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

There's a few principles that generally help, but without context it's like saying "keep your arms tucked in to not get armbarred by a BJJ blackbelt"... So strategy is worthless without tactics and technique.
What's your background?
If you're from BJJ, I'm 99% sure you're getting tossed left and right because you use the hunched monkey double grip BJJ stance. It's a specialty even amongst blackbelts.
Try standing upright while doing a "combat" stance and grip fighting.
By upright I don't mean like a pole or a giraffe, but looking forward, your nose never further than your knees, not hunching and not stretching your arms out.
That is always a good start for people not familiar with wrestling/judo/Sambo.
That gives you mobility and the possibility to a) move your hips away from your opponent and b) counter with pickups, sweeps, your own hip throws.
If it's no gi, then you need to still stay upright but with a lower stance. You'll see that all good wrestlers can change levels but will never be hunched over or looking at the floor.
Just by not hunching you'll avoid a lot of hip tosses. And then they'll start to double leg you, doing lateral drops, sacrifice throws, body locks and suplexes. And so on.
But it's one of the most important things to learn, and one of the most difficult things to unlearn for BJJ people.

Actually right now my background is karate so grappling really. Im currently at an MMA gym so its no gi.

So it sounds like I need to keep my posture and not lean towards them.

 

[Zankou]

Thanks, what kinda grips should i go for?

Realistically if you are at this level you are always going to get beaten by a skilled opponent. I would focus more on getting a coach who can explain and train you on how to progress your takedown game, instead of focusing on ‘winning’ in training against a much more skilled opponent.

Your issue is one of getting a good progressive training program in place, not getting special tips on how to beat a skilled wrestler or judoka. There are no tips like that. You just have to get good yourself.

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

Realistically if you are at this level you are always going to get beaten by a skilled opponent. I would focus more on getting a coach who can explain and train you on how to progress your takedown game, instead of focusing on ‘winning’ in training against a much more skilled opponent.

Your issue is one of getting a good progressive training program in place, not getting special tips on how to beat a skilled wrestler or judoka. There are no tips like that. You just have to get good yourself.

That makes sense, I know a place i should be able to go to for that. Thanks

 

[grapplejuice]

Hip thrown or just thrown? For hip throws from over unders, take a big step around near leg, T- up (get perpendicular to your opponent) and hug the hips and roll through. If you are able to step over and beat your opponent to the angle you might be able to suplex with a little hip pop, if not, keep that grip around the waist and when you hit mat and bridge and roll through like a gut wrench.

Avoid all that by not keeping your hips back and posting on the hips. Don't hang out there bc you'll get head and arm thrown. Yeah bro, find a good coach and start drilling. Lot's of people go their entire existence without being a threat with upper body takedowns. Don't be that guy. Learn how to throw.

 

[CFGroup]

Fuuucckkk!

Was just going to scroll and maybe post a quick salty snark....

....Okay super quick cause I love this question.

Rule of thumb you can't be hip thrown if your hip is in front of your partner's in the way I think you're describing. I'm in a hurry so I didn't read all the posts....

He's using his hip as the fulcrum to control your center mass, lift and pivot your body?

There's a great basic tutorial on Steve Scott's channel that visually breaks down the principles I mentioned.

Also the "angle"-I know there is a whole thread 'does Judo have angles' or something like that-the angle his or your inside leg hip and center are to each other. I think @Zankou talked about grips, your grips are how you're angling your inside hip to be defensive, but positioned to instantly become offensive. The over hand or over the shoulder grip is your inside leg/hip power grip, your outside grip is to keep his balance unstable on his toes. This is really basics so you can start to analyze his attack and see that he's setting you up a while before you go "what the..." SPLAT!

I think the simplest way to look at it is you want to be generally facing the same direction with your hip in front of his, control of his body with your inside grip-there's tons of places to grip- control of his balance and mobility with your outside grip inside his sleeve grip-forgot to mention that, super important and makes it much easier.

When you're just gripping up that's your end game, that's the standing hierarchy of progress you're trying to achieve.

The kicker, and this is why I love stand up is you can instantly create that ideal throwing condition by your explosive movement or exploiting your partners movements trying to gain his advantage.

Stick to the simple ideas first till you feel them. So now it will be "what the...." "oh that's how he gripped" "dammit I felt that hip sneak in there too late" SPLAT! And eventually get to "what the...oh no you don't" "holy shit I'm still on my feet!"

Oh last but not least, when ever someone I'm training with gets the drop on me on a consistent basis. My god given obligation is to pester that person to train and teach me WTF they're doing. That's how you guys learn. He learns how to communicate technical ideas so if he ever teaches he's already done it, you learn how not to go SPLAT and learn a new strategy and chain of technique to a successful throw.

My best training buddies are probably, now thinking about, it all people who use to kick my ass on a regular basis.

Oh Jimmy Pedro who passed his grip strategy to Travis Stevens and all the players at the club are a good place to up your IQ with. I'm not sure if Travis has any tutorials, but I know that Jimmy has a few.

Crap, sun's coming up gotta train!

 

[RJ Green]

judo

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

Fuuucckkk!

Was just going to scroll and maybe post a quick salty snark....

....Okay super quick cause I love this question.

Rule of thumb you can't be hip thrown if your hip is in front of your partner's in the way I think you're describing. I'm in a hurry so I didn't read all the posts....

He's using his hip as the fulcrum to control your center mass, lift and pivot your body?

There's a great basic tutorial on Steve Scott's channel that visually breaks down the principles I mentioned.

Also the "angle"-I know there is a whole thread 'does Judo have angles' or something like that-the angle his or your inside leg hip and center are to each other. I think @Zankou talked about grips, your grips are how you're angling your inside hip to be defensive, but positioned to instantly become offensive. The over hand or over the shoulder grip is your inside leg/hip power grip, your outside grip is to keep his balance unstable on his toes. This is really basics so you can start to analyze his attack and see that he's setting you up a while before you go "what the..." SPLAT!

I think the simplest way to look at it is you want to be generally facing the same direction with your hip in front of his, control of his body with your inside grip-there's tons of places to grip- control of his balance and mobility with your outside grip inside his sleeve grip-forgot to mention that, super important and makes it much easier.

When you're just gripping up that's your end game, that's the standing hierarchy of progress you're trying to achieve.

The kicker, and this is why I love stand up is you can instantly create that ideal throwing condition by your explosive movement or exploiting your partners movements trying to gain his advantage.

Stick to the simple ideas first till you feel them. So now it will be "what the...." "oh that's how he gripped" "dammit I felt that hip sneak in there too late" SPLAT! And eventually get to "what the...oh no you don't" "holy shit I'm still on my feet!"

Oh last but not least, when ever someone I'm training with gets the drop on me on a consistent basis. My god given obligation is to pester that person to train and teach me WTF they're doing. That's how you guys learn. He learns how to communicate technical ideas so if he ever teaches he's already done it, you learn how not to go SPLAT and learn a new strategy and chain of technique to a successful throw.

My best training buddies are probably, now thinking about, it all people who use to kick my ass on a regular basis.

Oh Jimmy Pedro who passed his grip strategy to Travis Stevens and all the players at the club are a good place to up your IQ with. I'm not sure if Travis has any tutorials, but I know that Jimmy has a few.

Crap, sun's coming up gotta train!

Thanks! Ill try to keep all this in mind next time.

 

[Qkhanh]

Break grips and don’t put all your weight forward.

Eventually learn judo.. or pull guard

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

Break grips and don’t put all your weight forward.

Eventually learn judo.. or pull guard

Thanks!

 

[Daniel Fox]

Drop your hips. If your hips are lower than his, he will not be able to throw you.

 

[rmongler]

Thanks, what kinda grips should i go for?

Many folk may say words liken to 'yeah underhooks are a strong grip', but few are they that truly know it in their souls that they are. Yea, so saith the words may be, yet the heart is not truly in them. Think they such like as, 'yeah, of course underhooks are strong... but its hard to get them, you know? while its so easy to find myself trading collars or overhooks or other ties for symmetrical gripping situations; so if i just focused more time on just that, rather than bothering with advancing position to more dominant grips, then that would give me an advantage, wouldnt it?' Truly, such is the lure of sloth, the false cutting of corners, that has lead many a young banger astray from the path of righteousness, into the hardships of existence outside the light of Just Bleed God.

Like water flowing down hill, they find themselves channeled into ruts by the slopes of convenience; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Freddy Fisticuffs]

Many folk may say words liken to 'yeah underhooks are a strong grip', but few are they that truly know it in their souls that they are. Yea, so saith the words may be, yet the heart is not truly in them. Think they such like as, 'yeah, of course underhooks are strong... but its hard to get them, you know? while its so easy to find myself trading collars or overhooks or other ties for symmetrical gripping situations; so if i just focused more time on just that, rather than bothering with advancing position to more dominant grips, then that would give me an advantage, wouldnt it?' Truly, such is the lure of sloth, the false cutting of corners, that has lead many a young banger astray from the path of righteousness, into the hardships of existence outside the light of Just Bleed God.

Like water flowing down hill, they find themselves channeled into ruts by the slopes of convenience; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Thanks...?

 

[Whitebeltatlife]

There's a guy in my gym who is good at this and used to land them on me. Basically you have to control the inside space of takedowns at all times. Make sure he can't control it otherwise he will get his hips in the space and underneath you, then it's over. I like to think of takedowns like boxing. Duck out and go backwards if you're in a bad spot, re-gain grips and re-enter when ready to attack.

 

[EndlessCritic]

I'm no judo specialist, but my sense is if you're getting hip thrown, it's because you're getting dominated in the clinch and with grips. If you're getting thrown, you screwed up a long time ago.