We are talking about Mezger vs Saku here, it's in the thread title! THAT YOU WAS THE ONE WHO STARTED! lol
Your conclusion is ludicrous.
"Despite the fact that what happened to Mezger being a common strategy to deceive foreigners traditionally used by Japanese and yakuza, in this case specifically it was just an accident. What do I base this on? Voices in my head." - gono btw
Didnt understand by how it was forumulated.
I dont have much to say about the "shady" aspect of the story as i dont really know the private interests and intrincancies.
My take on the fight is that its pretty much a great "sprawl & brawl" display by Mezger, particularly excellent single leg work by both.
Guy was more tight with his striking, making Saku pay for his habit of lean back with his chin up in the form of clean straight rights that were the best shots of the fight. Mezger always showed to be in control the few times Saku got any deep in a single leg or even took his back. Very mpressive by Mezger
Aside from a good kick in the face, which connected with the feet rather than the shin and didnt stagger Mezger, Saku threw like one single punch to the head, most of his good kicks were partially blocked and none of them landed in a weak point judging by Mezger's reaction, which is the only way a kick to the body can be considered a better shot than a clean right punch to the face.
I quote the most clueless, or biased, parts in ur OP. I alread told u that smells like ur understanding of standup fighting is mediocre to say the best - u know, the reach talk...- and here, you are way off in the statements you make imo
>You assume the false premise that striking was even in that fight, and that even damage was in favour of Saku !¡
> Guy Mezger gets the edge in striking in the standing fight even if it's rather close, let alone adding the strikes landed in the ground. Period.
> The only way that fight could be considered a draw is by whatever rewards for weight disparity there were
For the rest, I see Ken losing his temper but I dont have much further to tell. Whatever Mezger says about the matter I guess. He won that round.
We are talking about Mezger vs Saku here, it's in the thread title! THAT YOU WAS THE ONE WHO STARTED! lol
Your conclusion is ludicrous.
"Despite the fact that what happened to Mezger being a common strategy to deceive foreigners traditionally used by Japanese and yakuza, in this case specifically it was just an accident. What do I base this on? Voices in my head." - gono btw
You don't know about Scorin´System, you scored wrongly!
QUESTION 1: What is the genesis of that criterion [Weight Difference]?
How has it evolved since the 1990s? QUESTION 2: Who were the 3 Judges at that SAKU vs Mezger fight, & what´s your assessment of their modus operandi when it comes to scorin´fights?
Even ignoring the fact that the fight against Wand, which Saku had asked for before, was only given to him when Pride was angry, and the fact that along with that only after Pride was angry that the rule that screwed Saku was changed, information that you thought helped your case and that you abandoned after realizing that was doing the opposite, you did not answer about the traditional and common way of cheating by the Japanese and Yakuza.
You did not refute me about it being a fact that what happened to Mezger being a common strategy to deceive foreigners traditionally used by Japanese and yakuza, and about how your conclusion that in this specific case it was just an accident is ludicrous.
QUESTION 1: What is the genesis of that criterion [Weight Difference]?
How has it evolved since the 1990s? QUESTION 2: Who were the 3 Judges at that SAKU vs Mezger fight, & what´s your assessment of their modus operandi when it comes to scorin´fights?
"Despite the fact that what happened to Mezger being a common strategy to deceive foreigners traditionally used by Japanese and yakuza, in this case specifically it was just an accident. What do I base this on? Voices in my head. Now answer those questions that have nothing to do with your point." - gono btw
"Despite the fact that what happened to Mezger being a common strategy to deceive foreigners traditionally used by Japanese and yakuza, in this case specifically it was just an accident. What do I base this on? Voices in my head. Now answer those questions that have nothing to do with your point." - gono btw
HAHAHAHA, what a perfect way to describe gono, I've already mentioned plenty of times how he does the " answer these irrelevant questions that deal with absolutely nothing" before and it gets him so upset he just resorts to making little names up,(as if that's supposed to affect me) when I, and others point out he's made/making 0 sense with his posts. I guess it is as you so eloquently put it - the voices in gono's head.
Don't even bother man, as I've already learned, he's not going to accept being wrong, his frail ego can't accept that their might be someone more educated on the obscure random old pre-ufc era threads he makes. He's just going to either back track, double down, or resort to attacks.
In b4 some dumb as hell post with a random attack on my name as a means to make himself feel better.
HAHAHAHA, what a perfect way to describe gono, I've already mentioned plenty of times how he does the " answer these irrelevant questions that deal with absolutely nothing" before and it gets him so upset he just resorts to making little names up,(as if that's supposed to affect me) when I, and others point out he's made/making 0 sense with his posts. I guess it is as you so eloquently put it - the voices in gono's head.
Don't even bother man, as I've already learned, he's not going to accept being wrong, his frail ego can't accept that their might be someone more educated on the obscure random old pre-ufc era threads he makes. He's just going to either back track, double down, or resort to attacks.
In b4 some dumb as hell post with a random attack on my name as a means to make himself feel better.
Even the argument that Pride besides giving Wand to Saku as a way to screw him, probably for asking for more money or envy, also changed the rules to screw him even more, is something that gono gave it to me. The guy is able to argue against himself without even realizing it
Honestly I never had much sympathy with Mezger in terms of these decisions(obviously do with his health issues), he was a dull defensive fighter who was happy to try and win close decisions so honestly boo hoo if they went against him, its like people getting angry Phil Davis lost to Bader both times.
The reality is the two main reasons he gets mentioned anymore are...
1.UFC brand fanboys looking to bash Pride
2.Wand and Chuck KOing him in spectacular fashion.
HAHAHAHA, what a perfect way to describe gono, I've already mentioned plenty of times how he does the " answer these irrelevant questions that deal with absolutely nothing" before and it gets him so upset he just resorts to making little names up,(as if that's supposed to affect me) when I, and others point out he's made/making 0 sense with his posts. I guess it is as you so eloquently put it - the voices in gono's head.
Don't even bother man, as I've already learned, he's not going to accept being wrong, his frail ego can't accept that their might be someone more educated on the obscure random old pre-ufc era threads he makes. He's just going to either back track, double down, or resort to attacks.
In b4 some dumb as hell post with a random attack on my name as a means to make himself feel better.
Even ignoring the fact that the fight against Wand, which Saku had asked for before, was only given to him when Pride was angry, and the fact that along with that only after Pride was angry that the rule that screwed Saku was changed, information that you thought helped your case and that you abandoned after realizing that was doing the opposite, you did not answer about the traditional and common way of cheating by the Japanese and Yakuza.
You did not refute me about it being a fact that what happened to Mezger being a common strategy to deceive foreigners traditionally used by Japanese and yakuza, and about how your conclusion that in this specific case it was just an accident is ludicrous.
Even the argument that Pride besides giving Wand to Saku as a way to screw him, probably for asking for more money or envy, also changed the rules to screw him even more, is something that gono gave it to me. The guy is able to argue against himself without even realizing it
b4 droppin´ your clueless 'opinion' about that fight, do some research:
> Pride´s Scorin´System was a complex one.
> Pride had some controversial decisions, mainly due to some fans´ignorance, jus´like yours.
All those controversial decisions can be explained, except one:
Takase vs Elvis.
Others like Matsui vs Pelé , Shoji vs Stiebling , Arona vs Mezger or Vitor Gracie vs Herring, are kindah tricky to assess & need some legit & deep knowledge about that Scorin´System.
> The decisive angle here is the Weight Difference Criterion, & I pretty much doubt that you have any legit knowledge about it.
But...let´s check & give you a chance:
QUESTION 1: What is the genesis of that criterion? How has it evolved since the 1990s?
3/ SAKU G. vs Hoyler:
SAKU G. didnt want that fight, was pressured by them Gracies to take it if he wanted to get the bigger 'fishes' [Hoyce then Hickson].
QUESTION 2: Can you tell us about the original demands made by Hoyler regardin´the Fight Configuration for that fight?
QUESTION 3: Were those demands in the true tradition of the Vale Tudo Era? In particular, what´s the qualitative difference between those demands & the ones made by Carlson when he faced Ivan Gomes or Euclides Pereira?
> Beatin´ LHWs like Vitor Gracie, Ebenezer Braga, Tiger, Randleman, Rampage
> Draw vs LHWs like Goes & Mezger
> Bein´competitive against HWs like Igor (followin´a 90mns battle vs Hoyce) or Crocop
> Bein´competitive against LHWs like Lil Nog (was injured in that fight & still dominated him during the 1st 2 Rds b4 gassin´)
> Beatin´HW like Conan
@ OW [above MW], SAKU is 8-1-7.
Now, SAKU G. started his career as a FW, but was forced to bulk up by his pro-wrasslin´promoter, & progressively became a natural WW.
His historical fight weight was: 183 lbs.
Pride could have still made a star out of him with 'reasonable' match-ups, against WWs or natural MWs, jus´like they did with Gomi (even though it took time for Pride Bushido to catch the audience´s interest...)
- Fight Configuration:
In that GP where he faced Hoyce, SAKU G. was so 'protected' that:
Even though the MMA Org. was Japanese & the fight was in Japan, Pride sided with them Gracies & granted Hoyce all the Fight Config. & ruleset he requested [no judge / no time limit]. Now, since it was a legit tribute to the Vale Tudo era, no probz... but... doin´it during a one-night tournament, while the other fighters of the Tournament didnt have to follow these Fight Config. & ruleset (they actually even threatened to pull out), was literally suicidal for the [SAKU G. vs Hoyce] winner..
That fight, as legit as it was, could have taken place outside that GP.
QUESTION 4: What rule change happened @ Pride 13 that is historically, arguably considered an anti-SAKU [by extension, anti Submission Grappler like Catch Wrasslers] rule?
- Referees:
QUESTION 5: What happened in the SAKU G. vs Vitor Gracie fight that disqualifies any narrative about Pride Refs. protectin´ SAKU G. ?
- Timing:
On New Year’s Eve 2003, SAKU G., still recoverin´from injury, was pressured by Pride to take on LHW lil Nog.
QUESTION 6: Pride gave him 2 options, can you tell the name of that other fighter? Bearin´in mind that Pride perfectly knew about SAKU´s [sado-maso] mind & how he would answer.
If you can answer those 6 questions, then I´ll give you propz & consider that you´re indeed qualified to give your opinion on those complex topics.
Otherwise, b4 shamelessly badmouthin´ an ATG who gave his blood to this sport,...
1st of all, I´ve already told you to quote me only ONCE & edit your post, can you dig it? Dafuk´s wrong with you, ya weirdoh?
Do you want me to say it in your language? Ei, seu otário abestalhado, deixe de ser lerdo e me mande apenas UMA mensagem, se for preciso vc edita essa porcaria depois. Entendeu agora?
1- Yes, you did duck, & no less than a whoopin´ 6 questions.
2- Your answers to the 2 questions you didnt duck were ridiculous, laughable, clearly showed that you dont know what you´re talkin´about.
Heck, you´re so clueless & new to this shit that you dont even know dat good ol´joke about Vitor Gracie [Carlson vs Helson feud]
3- Understand, ya bloody ´tard: b4 reachin´the controversial part of that fight [ie extra round], you... have...1st.... to... score.... that....goddamn... 1st... Round...
That fight reaches the [potential] extra round if, & only if, a draw becomes a realistic outcome in that fight.
Consequently, all these parameters of the equation are relevant & essential:
> Understandin´of that Scorin´System
> Understandin´of the Weight Difference 'criterion'
> knowledge about them Judges & their modus operandi, ie how those 3 Judges would score the fights in Pride.
You´re not qualified to assess that fight since you know nuthin´about that specific 'criterion'.
That ´criterion' is much too complex for you: back in the day, most, if not all, NHB analysts admitted that they were completely clueless about that 'criterion'.
4- Again, that specific ´critterion' will be assessed in the soon-to-be-released 2nd part of that 39th Decons:
You´ll have the chance to educate yourself, how´about dat?
5- "you're basically ignoring the two points on this thread; the fight against Wand and the change of rules only occurred because Pride was angry with Saku"
Are you stupid or what? I´ve already answered these 2 points.
> There was already a rule change b4 that fight, in that OW GP where Pride sided with Hoyce. What´s your rebuttal here?
> I mean... are you tryin´to say that SAKU G. was protected when he fought all those fighters b4 Wand?:
> LHWs like Vitor Gracie, Ebenezer Braga, Tiger , Goes & Mezger,
> HW like Igor
> WWs like Ronin, Hoyce, Henzo
The good thing here is that you admitted: "I don't know the others"
... which confirms what Ive been tryin´to tell you in this thread: you dont know what you´re talkin´about & shouldnt open your silly mouth. How...dafuk... can...you...say...that ...SAKU...was... protected ... when ... they ... matched ... him ... up...against....those ...fighters... if you dont even know them?
then you said: "and against Igor it was in a tournament format"
Hey... Do you know that [back to that special rule change] SAKU & Hoyce were the only ones who had to fight with no time limit, in a ONE-NIGHT tournament? All the other fighters said no to this rule change & threatened to pull out.
Are you aware that Pride made SAKU, a natural WW, fight HW Igor right after spendin´ 90 mns in the ring?
Do you really believe that an MMA Org. that makes you face LHWs like Vitor Gracie, Ebenezer Braga, Tiger , Goes & Mezger... is really protectin´ you?
Are you aware that the Vitor Gracie who fought SAKU G. was the one who had literally blitzed poor Wand in a few sec. in UFC Brazil 6 months b4?
A guy who is trying to convince someone that the promotion with a history of cheating against foreigners in favor of Japanese, just did what they did, a traditional and common cheating strategy by the Japanese and Yakuza, by accident is nothing more than a joke. A guy with a history of stealing may have just accidentally ended with my wallet in his pocket, but by no means this is the most probable.
"Oh damn, look at the fool me, I really can't prove that the rule change and difficult fight that occurred after Saku and Pride break off point to protection against this fighter and these techniques previously.
And I can't even prove that the Japanese and Yakuza used this traditional and common strategy to cheat the gaijin who was facing their Japanese/Pride hero.
I know! I'm going to ask a lot of questions that have nothing to do with it and try to bully my way out of this mess." - gono btw
A guy who is trying to convince someone that the promotion with a history of cheating against foreigners in favor of Japanese, just did what they did, a traditional and common cheating strategy by the Japanese and Yakuza, by accident is nothing more than a joke. A guy with a history of stealing may have just accidentally ended with my wallet in his pocket, but by no means this is the most probable.
"Oh damn, look at the fool me, I really can't prove that the rule change and difficult fight that occurred after Saku and Pride break off point to protection against this fighter and these techniques previously.
And I can't even prove that the Japanese and Yakuza used this traditional and common strategy to cheat the gaijin who was facing their Japanese/Pride hero.
I know! I'm going to ask a lot of questions that have nothing to do with it and try to bully my way out of this mess." - gono btw
Pride has a history of cheating foreigners in favor of Japanese.
Yoshida vs Royce 1
Takada vs. Coleman was fixed to raise Takada for a future fight.
Takada vs Mark Kerr, Kerr was offered a bonus payment in exchange for fighting a technical bout instead of using ground and pound.
Mezger himself talked about how he was screwed by Pride later because he didn't want to cheat in the fight against Satake, which they wanted to win because he had lost many fights. The type of cheating would be the same as the one above, with Mezger being offered a reward for keeping the fight standing as his opponent did not know how to fight on the ground.
There are the Gracie accusations that the fight between Royler and Saku could not have a referee stoppage. If you have doubts that Pride could have let the fight continue, compare what Royler had to suffer to be declared the loser with some of the fights that Saku won, or with the fights he lost. Compare how much Yoshida was beaten in the second fight against Royce without being declared the loser.
Anyway, all of this is ridiculous and another attempt by you, and a successful one, to change the subject.
The fact that the fight against Wand and that the rule change only occurred when Pride was angry at Saku points to a previous protection.
And what was done against Mezger is a Japanese and Yakuza traditional and common strategy to cheat gaijins.
Talk about these, not about anything else.
Do you believe that what was done against Mezger, which is a traditional and common strategy of the Japanese and the Yakuza to deceive gaijins, was just a accident and / or disorganization gono? And why would anyone believe that?
Pride has a history of cheating foreigners in favor of Japanese.
Yoshida vs Royce 1
Takada vs. Coleman was fixed to raise Takada for a future fight.
Takada vs Mark Kerr, Kerr was offered a bonus payment in exchange for fighting a technical bout instead of using ground and pound.
Mezger himself talked about how he was screwed by Pride later because he didn't want to cheat in the fight against Satake, which they wanted to win because he had lost many fights. The type of cheating would be the same as the one above, with Mezger being offered a reward for keeping the fight standing as his opponent did not know how to fight on the ground.
There are the Gracie accusations that the fight between Royler and Saku could not have a referee stoppage. If you have doubts that Pride could have let the fight continue, compare what Royler had to suffer to be declared the loser with some of the fights that Saku won, or with the fights he lost. Compare how much Yoshida was beaten in the second fight against Royce without being declared the loser.
Anyway, all of this is ridiculous and another attempt by you, and a successful one, to change the subject.
The fact that the fight against Wand and that the rule change only occurred when Pride was angry at Saku points to a previous protection.
And what was done against Mezger is a Japanese and Yakuza traditional and common strategy to cheat gaijins.
Talk about these, not about anything else.
Do you believe that what was done against Mezger, which is a traditional and common strategy of the Japanese and the Yakuza to deceive gaijins, was just a accident and / or disorganization gono? And why would anyone believe that?
See? You´re the one who deflected the topic here, this thread is specifically about the SAKU vs Mezger fight & its Scorin´, but... you decided to deflect if once you exposed your complete lack of knowledge of Pride´s Scorin´System
2- SAKU G. vs Hoyler:
Here, you said that "the fight between Royler and Saku could not have a referee stoppage".
Well, that´s inaccurate.
The agreement between the 2 clans did include the possibility of the Ref. stoppin´the fight in case of a deep cut, for instance.
You´re either clueless or straight up lyin´here, mate.
QUESTION 2: Can you tell us about the original demands made by Hoyler regardin´the Fight Configuration for that fight?
> lil WaCaique´s rebuttal: "Of the demands made the one that matters is that the referee could not stop the fight."
Key word in Gono´s question : "original"
Your answer only focusses on the final agreement.
Here´s what happened: when them Gracies started the negociations, Hoyler [much hespekt to him, tho, since he was an OG OW warrior] dropped this unprecedented request:
- in case of no finish at the end of the regular time, the undersized fighter [himself] would be declared the... winner! (?)
Moreover, the agreement between the 2 clans did include the possibility of the Ref. stoppin´the fight in case of a deep cut, for instance.
QUESTION 3: Were those demands in the true tradition of the Vale Tudo Era? In particular, what´s the qualitative difference between those demands & the ones made by Carlson when he faced Ivan Gomes or Euclides Pereira?
> lil WaCaique´s rebuttal: "as long as it wasn’t in the “VT Traditions”, which I’ve never heard of,"
At least you admit that you´re completely clueless, right, mate? Good.
Now, as cocky as you are, nobody really expected you to know about the Vale Tudo traditions.
But at no point did any VT fighter ask for such a specific Fight Config. since 1934.
Geo Omori, George, Waldemar, Ivan, Euclides, Rei Zulu etc... Nobody.
Even Carlson, when he went straight to Salvador & challenged Euclides, only tried to ask for No Judges, to no avail.
Even Carlson, when he challenged Ivan Gomes, did get that No Judges fight config., but that´s it. And bear in mind that the size difference between those 2 was even more significant:
Carlson = 167 lbs (supposedly, probably a lil bit more) / Ivan = 216 lbs
What happened in that fight? Between those throws out of the ring by Ivan, Carlson butt-scooted durin´the whole fight till he got the draw. Wise & realistic approach, you might say... but there´s a difference between claimin´a draw & stealin´a win, for the undersized fighter.
All those things Im droppin´here, is all about educatin´ya, since you keep tryin´to show off in the Grapplin´Forum about the Brazilian scene, but the reality is ya dont know shit. Stop pretendin´.
> Those fixed fights in early Pride represent the [necessary] evolution from the ol´ Pro-Wrasslin´model to the new NHB/MMA era.
This perspective is obviously too complex for a simple mind like yours... but Takada was a necessary part of that evolution since he made the transition easier to the new era [duality between a single man´s destiny & agenda & a whole entity´s > check the book "History of the French Revolution" by Michelet]
Now... it´s obviously too complex for someone like you, so jus´consider this: here, you´re deflectin´again.
Remember? You said: "cheating against foreigners in favor of Japanese"
Coleman was not cheated. Coleman´s manager [Rich Bassman] received a deal from Pride Exec. Yukino Kanda.
QUESTION 5: What was that deal?
Poor Gono´s deflectin´...
QUESTION 6: Against Igor, do you consider that the ['biased'] Ref. helped Takada during the fight? How? How do you explain this technical sequence?:
4/ Takada vs Kerr:
You said: "bonus payment in exchange for fighting a technical bout instead of using ground and pound."
How strange... this is an exact copy/paste from Takada´s wiki:
"Unlike the previous, this match is generally acknowledged as a non-fixed fight, although Kerr reported he was offered a bonus payment in exchange for fighting a technical bout instead of using ground and pound.[16] As such, Kerr went to claim he would defeat Takada by a submission move in less time than Rickson Gracie had done in Takada's debut.[17] The fight was also promoted as Kerr taking revenge for Coleman"
See... That´s what Im talkin´about... Sadly, you´re not a legit poster, you´re a shameless google filter: you have absolutely no knowledge, the only thing you do is runnin´ to google every time you want to "discuss" a topic.
Kerr finished Takada with a kimura, but... how strange... 2 fights b4 (11 months b4), he finished THE Pedro with the same move... Crazy...
Guess what? Kerr was actually trainin´his submission game with Huas, Bas, Rico, Hizzo at their gym in Beverly Hills.
Now, that narrative you´re talkin´about was taken from Snowden´s book... but... can you provide a quote from Kerr himself confirmin´: > that the fight was fixed.
> who exactly made the offer.
5/ Mezger vs Satake :
You said that Pride tried to cheat again here.
Well, this is what Guy said on July, 21st 2001:
Reporter : "Has Pride ever approached you about doing a work?" Guy Mezger : "No, Pride had neverasked me to work a match."
Consequently, same questions here:
Can you provide a quote from Mezger himself confirmin´: > that the fight was fixed.
> who exactly made the offer.
6/ Hoyce vs Yoshida:
Kool, Ref. Noguchi made a mistake, but... hey...strange... Herb Dean also made a mistake in the Askren vs Lawler fight, does it mean that the fight was fixed?
What about this one: Chonan, a Jap. from... Yoshida Dojo ... was stopped that quick [22 sec.] by the Ref. :
How do you explain it, lil WaCaique?
Overall... Your original narrative was all about Pride bein´a 'nationalistic' entity always biased towards them Japz... ok....
hmmm... let´s see what we finally have here... hmmm.... yeah.... Hundreds of fights, & you could find only 6 cases via google (you dont look like someone who would have the knowledge...), nuthin´ about corrupted decisions for instance...
yeah.... not a good showin´in this thread, once again...
ah... b4 leavin´: QUESTION 7: Can you tell us the % of decisions [aprox. 318 fights] that were scored in them Japz´s favour in that 'corrupted' Pride?
By extension, how many fights [Jap vs Gaijin] that went to decision do you consider 'rigged'?
1st of all, that subject was brought up by you, not by Gono.
You´re the one who said:
See? You´re the one who deflected the topic here, this thread is specifically about the SAKU vs Mezger fight & its Scorin´, but... you decided to deflect if once you exposed your complete lack of knowledge of Pride´s Scorin´System
2- SAKU G. vs Hoyler:
Here, you said that "the fight between Royler and Saku could not have a referee stoppage".
Well, that´s inaccurate.
The agreement between the 2 clans did include the possibility of the Ref. stoppin´the fight in case of a deep cut, for instance.
You´re either clueless or straight up lyin´here, mate.
Now... it´s obviously too complex for someone like you, so jus´consider this: here, you´re deflectin´again.
Remember? You said: "cheating against foreigners in favor of Japanese"
Coleman was not cheated. Coleman´s manager [Rich Bassman] received a deal from Pride Exec. Yukino Kanda.
"Unlike the previous, this match is generally acknowledged as a non-fixed fight, although Kerr reported he was offered a bonus payment in exchange for fighting a technical bout instead of using ground and pound.[16] As such, Kerr went to claim he would defeat Takada by a submission move in less time than Rickson Gracie had done in Takada's debut.[17] The fight was also promoted as Kerr taking revenge for Coleman"
See... That´s what Im talkin´about... Sadly, you´re not a legit poster, you´re a shameless google filter: you have absolutely no knowledge, the only thing you do is runnin´ to google every time you want to "discuss" a topic.
Kerr finished Takada with a kimura, but... how strange... 2 fights b4 (11 months b4), he finished THE Pedro with the same move... Crazy...
Guess what? Kerr was actually trainin´his submission game with Huas, Bas, Rico, Hizzo at their gym in Beverly Hills.
Now, that narrative you´re talkin´about was taken from Snowden´s book... but... can you provide a quote from Kerr himself confirmin´: > that the fight was fixed.
> who exactly made the offer.
5/ Mezger vs Satake :
You said that Pride tried to cheat again here.
Well, this is what Guy said on July, 21st 2001:
Reporter : "Has Pride ever approached you about doing a work?" Guy Mezger : "No, Pride had neverasked me to work a match."
Consequently, same questions here:
Can you provide a quote from Mezger himself confirmin´: > that the fight was fixed.
> who exactly made the offer.
6/ Hoyce vs Yoshida:
Kool, Ref. Noguchi made a mistake, but... hey...strange... Herb Dean also made a mistake in the Askren vs Lawler fight, does it mean that the fight was fixed?
What about this one: Chonan, a Jap. from... Yoshida Dojo ... was stopped that quick [22 sec.] by the Ref. :
Overall... Your original narrative was all about Pride bein´a 'nationalistic' entity always biased towards them Japz... ok....
hmmm... let´s see what we finally have here... hmmm.... yeah.... Hundreds of fights, & you could find only 6 cases via google (you dont look like someone who would have the knowledge...), nuthin´ about corrupted decisions for instance...
yeah.... not a good showin´in this thread, once again...
ah... b4 leavin´: QUESTION 7: Can you tell us the % of decisions [aprox. 318 fights] that were scored in them Japz´s favour in that 'corrupted' Pride?
By extension, how many fights [Jap vs Gaijin] that went to decision do you consider 'rigged'?
"Oh look, I STILL can't prove that the rule change and difficult fight that occurred after Saku and Pride break off point to protection against this fighter and these techniques previously.
And I can't even prove that the Japanese and Yakuza used this traditional and common strategy to cheat the gaijin who was facing their Japanese/Pride hero.
I know! I'm going to ask a lot of questions that have nothing to do with it and try to bully my way out of this mess." - gono btw
1st of all, that subject was brought up by you, not by Gono.
You´re the one who said:
See? You´re the one who deflected the topic here, this thread is specifically about the SAKU vs Mezger fight & its Scorin´, but... you decided to deflect if once you exposed your complete lack of knowledge of Pride´s Scorin´System
So more than once Pride made the same mistake against foreigners in favor of the Japanese, a mistake that in fact is a common and traditional way for Yakuza and the Japanese to cheat, BUT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, MISTAKE, AND DISINFORMATION PROBLEM IN YOUR OPINION ? Why would anyone believe you?
"Oh look, I STILL can't prove that the rule change and difficult fight that occurred after Saku and Pride break off point to protection against this fighter and these techniques previously.
And I can't even prove that the Japanese and Yakuza used this traditional and common strategy to cheat the gaijin who was facing their Japanese/Pride hero.
I know! I'm going to ask a lot of questions that have nothing to do with it and try to bully my way out of this mess." - gono btw
This part bellow is very interesting
So your problem with what I said is that it has nothing to do with the thread alone?
And this one too
So more than once Pride made the same mistake against foreigners in favor of the Japanese, a mistake that in fact is a common and traditional way for Yakuza and the Japanese to cheat, BUT IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, MISTAKE, AND DISINFORMATION PROBLEM IN YOUR OPINION ? Why would anyone believe you?
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) when I, and others point out he's made/making 0 sense with his posts. I guess it is as you so eloquently put it - the voices in gono's head.
