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It's temporary. Some will surely soon move on to found their own schools and dilute the concentration of talent.
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Idk keenan and Craig sure but the rest of those guys seem drink to drink the kool aid.
Nothing wrong with that but still. I am hoping at least that another team jumps on the scene. ( no gi I am talking about)
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Oh man, I'd love to train alongside those dudes.
Just imagine how many times I'd be able to tap. My "getting absolutely demolished" game would get sharp as fuck.
Just imagine how many times I'd be able to tap. My "getting absolutely demolished" game would get sharp as fuck.
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thats gotta b the best team ever holy fawk gordan craig keenan nicky ryan garry jake shields and so forth
I don't think it's a huge deal. Honestly I don't think there's anything way too new about it, but it's just that social media is a bigger thing now so we see more about it.
The 2013 Atos training camp was pretty infamous. You had Rafa Mendes, Andre Galvao, JT Torres, Keenan Cornelius all going to ADCC, and training with Gui Mendes, Michael Liera Jr, and even Dean Lister joined for a bit too.
Lovato Jr took a huge team to ADCC in 2013 or 2015.
People are going to go where the training is. I can see why you'd liken to to the Warriors, but at the same time this is ultimately an individual sport. Anyone in the same bracket (ie. Tonon and Taza at 77kg) will be forced to compete against each other in the first or second match (at the latest) to prevent issues, and ADCC doesn't typically allow more than 2 teammates in any given bracket.
So ultimately these guys will end up having to go against each other anyways.
The Renzo academy is at the very least a top 3 place in the world right now for no-gi training. It's not too much of a surprise to me that competitors are attracted to training there.
The 2013 Atos training camp was pretty infamous. You had Rafa Mendes, Andre Galvao, JT Torres, Keenan Cornelius all going to ADCC, and training with Gui Mendes, Michael Liera Jr, and even Dean Lister joined for a bit too.
Lovato Jr took a huge team to ADCC in 2013 or 2015.
People are going to go where the training is. I can see why you'd liken to to the Warriors, but at the same time this is ultimately an individual sport. Anyone in the same bracket (ie. Tonon and Taza at 77kg) will be forced to compete against each other in the first or second match (at the latest) to prevent issues, and ADCC doesn't typically allow more than 2 teammates in any given bracket.
So ultimately these guys will end up having to go against each other anyways.
The Renzo academy is at the very least a top 3 place in the world right now for no-gi training. It's not too much of a surprise to me that competitors are attracted to training there.
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Idk man I like system vs system, coach vs coach etc. I have no problem with home grown talents I just don't like the jumping ship
Fair enough but has anyone jumped ship?
Keenan doesn't have a team but does plan to open his own school I believe next year. I'm pretty sure the only person you mentioned that has ever switched teams is Keenan (once) when he went from TLI to Atos and there were some pretty wild circumstances around that.
As far as everyone else? Tonon, the Ryan bros, Taza, and all the guys? They're all in that Renzo lineage and always have been. Craig Jones is Absolute MMA and still is. He didn't switch teams. Also everyone mentioned is fairly unique style wise. Gordon and Nicky Ryan have the most similar game to each other (guard passing to the back), but Tonon, Taza, Craig, Keenan, and Rodriguez all have pretty different styles and approaches. And I know Crelinsten is out but it's worth mentioning that he's definitely got a different style than anyone named above and if anything it's less similar to his teammates and more similar to Keenan who isn't even a DDS guy.
On a side note most people in the game jump ship and team switch at some point. I can't think of many super famous high level grapplers that stayed with the same team their entire careers.
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Im cool with it only because I know that when the time comes to compete against each other those guys will have no problem trying to break their opponent legs. Regardless of who is across the mat from them.
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I understand the reasoning just not my cup of tea.
I rather train anywhere else other than with my chief rivals.
And I know Crelinsten is out of the competition but it's worth mentioning that he's definitely got a different style than anyone named above. And if anything it's honestly less similar to his Renzo lineage teammates and more similar to Keenan who isn't even a DDS guy. They both have strong passing but pass in ways that leave their legs exposed to leg entanglements and yet they don't care. They both focus a lot on kimura traps, back attacks, and have awesome triangles and reverse triangles. They both like 50/50 more than the saddle.
The biggest differences to me are Keenan favoring lots of head and arm style chokes, favoring some specific passes that are different than Ethan, playing some different guards, and Keenan being a better wrestler. But they have a lot in common.
I guess my point is that besides Gordon and Nicky I think everyone you named stands out enough and doesn't seem like a clone of each other. Gordon and Nicky play incredibly similar games at this point though.
The biggest differences to me are Keenan favoring lots of head and arm style chokes, favoring some specific passes that are different than Ethan, playing some different guards, and Keenan being a better wrestler. But they have a lot in common.
I guess my point is that besides Gordon and Nicky I think everyone you named stands out enough and doesn't seem like a clone of each other. Gordon and Nicky play incredibly similar games at this point though.
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Exactly. This is a hard sport to do and stay away from training with people that you'll compete against.
I actually think it's cool that things are headed into more of a unified melting pot sort of environment where it's nothing personal and strictly business when it's time to compete.
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If it makes me better than I'll do it. That's what makes the greats great and everybody else not. From elementary school through college I did wrestling clinics all over the u.s. and at times have had to have a rival as my partner. Oh well. The best elevate the best. Period.
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Michael Jordan didn't need karl Malone, shaq and Kobe didn't need the tim Duncan. Mayweather didn't hang hang out with Pac in his gym. Greatest doesn't need to train with the greats. Greatest needs greatness to motivate
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Jordan had scottie everyday
Malone had Stockton
Kobe and shaq had each other
Duncan had Robinson and a slew of.other great supporting teammates
Mayweather had TMT
ETC ETC
alliance, barra, humitia, carlson gracie all had rooms filled with killers back in the day. Then those teams started to split up and those killers all went in separate directions.
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Yes home grown teammates.
If you create a room full of killers awesome, if you join a team full of killers makes you soft imo. Respect the talent not the choice
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Yes. Minus jones and Keenan all came through the renzo team. All homegrown talent.
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How does joining a team full of killers make you soft?
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Those dudes played in the NBA a league consisting *ONLY* of killers.
Does anybody in a NBA team train twice a week or sit on the wall during training.
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You are missing my point.
Jordan didnt reach out to train with bird, magic or IT. He would have. Hell he could have joined their teams a few times. He didnt.
You can't hold it against the Ryans, or those guys. Jones and keenan joined an established team. Instead of taking on the challenge of creating a team or system to beat them they joined them.
Durant did it both the warriors. LeBron did it in Miami.
Eddie left because it's weird to train with the competition.
