DC in your all time rankings ?

It's crazy how many people put him top 10

I feel like you haven't thought it through
Honestly, it’s a hard question to even answer without spending significant time comparing resumes and weighing this and that. But with DC, he’s a guy that’s only lost to two people ever. The LHW GOAT and the UFC HW GOAT. And he beat the UFC HW GOAT once and did well in the rematches, despite his advanced age. And so I think people have a hard time taking someone that they think is one of the baddest dudes in the sport’s history regardless of weight class and turning around and putting him in 15th place or something, lol.
 
Honestly, it’s a hard question to even answer without spending significant time comparing resumes and weighing this and that. But with DC, he’s a guy that’s only lost to two people ever. The LHW GOAT and the UFC HW GOAT. And he beat the UFC HW GOAT once and did well in the rematches, despite his advanced age. And so I think people have a hard time taking someone that they think is one of the baddest dudes in the sport’s history regardless of weight class and turning around and putting him in 15th place or something, lol.
2nd place in the two worst divisions in the UFC

I feel like people are almost biased towards him because of his personality
 
2nd place in the two worst divisions in the UFC

I feel like people are almost biased towards him because of his personality
You can shit on HW all you want,but DC is one of the best fighters we have ever seen regardless of weightclass
 
He was always second fiddle at LHW to Jones and Stipe at HW, so not that high up
 
2nd place in the two worst divisions in the UFC

I feel like people are almost biased towards him because of his personality
Tell me 10 that are definitively ahead of him. Dude has 4 total title defenses and won and defended the belt in two divisions, while only losing to two people ever. I mean, he never had a GSP-esque run, but he has more title defenses than someone like Khabib can claim. So, it’s not like he doesn’t have some credentials to justify a high ranking.

The guys with long runs (numbered but in no particular order):

1.) GSP
2.) Jones
3.) Anderson
4.) Aldo
5.) MM
6.) Fedor (win streak but not actual title defenses)

After that he starts to be in the same boat as these people in terms of total title defenses and he does have the whole champ/champ thing with defenses to his credit. I think there’s definitely a case for it, whether you put him there or you don’t
 
Resumé is all I said.

And Werdum doesn't have it to be ranked #2 or #3. Period.

You were trying to use counter mmath on me like I was using it.

No, its comparing resumes of Werdum and Cain, and it proved you have no argument.

*Werdum was beat by JDS.
*JDS beat Cain in their first fight, which Cain had an injury going into it.
*Cain beat JDS twice in two 5-round beatdowns.
*Werdum beats an injury-ridden Cain that had 18 months of ring-rust.

So who's the best of the three? Its all subjective.


I could go into how Big Foot dominated Werdum in the first round but fractured his left hand at the end, then ended up losing the next two rounds giving Werdum the victory.

Cain, on the other hand, decimated and finished Big Foot in the 1st round of both their fights.

I could go on but its quite clear you can't hang in this discussion.

This standard you speak of is a creation of your mind.

You really have no idea how to debate, do you?

If all you have to say to me is about my low post record since making this account. That says more about you than it does me. You’re clearly way more involved. Go get some Sun. Pick up a new hobby.

Translation - I don't watch or discuss MMA enough to hang in this discussion.

Concession accepted.


And by the way, I know there's some holes in my argument for why Cain is in the Top 2 HW GOATs, as I said its all subjective, and I'm more than willing to have discussion about it - that's what message forums are for. But its quite humorous that you were so offended by that your reflexive response is to hurl insults. That's when you bit off more than you could chew and now your only responses can be insults... because you never had an argument but only your own fanboy opinions.

BTW, when you make a 'That's my final post to you' statement and when its replied to you make another post, it shows how easily you're baited, just like how you're going to make another post to this one, probably full of insults.

For a 2013 blue belt you sure do act like a 2020 white belt.
 
Not a fan of DC, but pretty hard to deny his accomplishments.
He’s definitely up there for HW ATG.
 
Ehhh not really though. What's the counter? Pride cult member bias? Because the only way someone thinks DC isn't close to top 10 all-time is if they're some Pride stan who thinks Big Nog, Cro Cop, and Shogun were better all-time. None of them were.

Name 10 people better all-time than DC and I guarantee anyone answering that question will either look like an idiot, a Pride homer, or include multiple very debatable names.

Watch: GSP, Jones, Fedor, Silva, Aldo, Khabib, Cruz, Mighty Mouse (8). Penn, Hughes, Couture (11).

I think we're already in very debatable territory by 9-11, DC being ranked over Penn/Hughes/Couture is extremely possible. The guy won the Strikeforce GP with a pool of every all-time HW competing, then won the LHW title + defended 3x and won the HW title.

If anything, there's a bias against DC...not one of recency. Sorry but DC is a million times fucking better than Tito Ortiz, and let's not pretend like his title defenses against Elvis Sinocic, Yuki Kondo, Ken Shamrock, and the janitor shanko were awesome. He fought cans half the time in a shit era of competition. So I'm really not sure how people have DC ranked so low at LHW specifically here either.
You nailed that list of names. A few months ago I collated various P4P rankings and DC was a tie with Aldo.

I just a suggest DC and Khabib will both be lower in 10 years time, assuming no one else is added (Usman, etc). After recency bias wears off. Just an opinion. Cheers.

Here is how that collection of rankings went btw:
#1 GSP (by a wide margin)
#2 Jones (by a wide margin)
#3 A Silva (by a wide margin)
#4 was a virtual 3-way tie (Khabib, DJ, Fedor)
#7 was a virtual 2-way tie (Aldo, DC)
#9 was a virtual 6-way tie (Stipe, Couture, Hughes, Conor, Cruz, Penn)
#15 was a virtual 2-way tie (Hendo, Holloway)​
 
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With DC having retired for a while, how do you looking back at it remember his career? Is he your HW or LHW Or P4P GOAT? Top 3? Top 5?

case for:

Beat big foot silva, monson, Mir, Derrick Lewis and Stipe (when Stipe when young as a buck).
Won Strikeforce as an alternate
UFC Gold at HW and LHW

case against:
After beating an elderly MW(hendo) and literally a barista (Cummins) he got a shot at Jones and well was outclassed.
He only has a mere 20 or so wins in his entire career. And the 6-8 of those against guys no one has heard of.
Was never the best LHW for any extended period (behind bones always) or HW (behind Stipe) or even fighter in his own camp (Khabib and Cain at hw).
Never won gold at Olympics
Is second fiddle to Rogan at play by play and being a company

Thats all the best wins you can list on his record? How about Rumble x2, Barnett, Gustaffson, Oezdemir?

Also... When Stipe was young as a buck? Really?

The hate is strong in this one.
 
Number 4 right after the top 3 in my sig, guy only lost to 2 men his whole career and has a win over 1 of them. Double champ who defended both belts. Can easily be top 3 too, he's the 2nd best LHW and 2nd best HW of all time, beast.

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My top 10 doesn't change much. Same proven guys on there, with Jones, DC and Khabib as newer editions in last like 10 years.

Jones, Fedor, Nog, GSP, Anderson, Hughes, DC, Khabib, Penn, Wanderlei/Chuck/Shogun
 
Out of curiosity, who of these 8 guys does he displace?

Fedor, Jones, A Silva, GSP, Khabib, Aldo, Cruz, DJ

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I've been curious for awhile about how and when guys not in the divisional top (or top 3) rank across weights. Since most people have divisional GOATs at the top of their P4P rankings, I'm curious. Thanks.

EDIT I now see TS didn’t only ask about P4P so never mind.
I'll answer anyways 'cuz I don't see Cruz ranking as high as DC...
 
In p4p rankings I'd put him close to Hendo, not sure who above who.
 

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