Media DC gives his thoughts MMA fighters losing to Jake Paul

Shaddows said:
Jesus, but you are an obstinate dumbass.
Most MMA fighters who "won BJJ tournaments" came from BJJ into MMA< not the other way around, kid!

Askren and Woodley came from WRESTLING, not from boxing!
Learn the difference!!!
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It's not a dumb comment, it's just people think it's impossible or something. That's part of the problem. Before the Conor and Jake Paul boxing fights people were high on mma's boxing skill level, those fights changed the narrative. Now it's mma fighters can't have boxing at that level because of this and that. They are excuses and they can get their boxing at that level. They just don't train the same as boxers and understand the boxing techniques at that level of understanding. It's mostly just the basics that mma fighters work on and that's why there is a skill gap difference between mma and boxers.

It's normal for an mma fighter to have world class grappling but not world class boxing? LOL both is possible.
 
markg171 said:
Nonsense. CLEARY, Jake here is OBVIOUSLY cutting himself to death trying to get to 190.

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Just look at how drained he is? Guy's CLEARLY really a 210-220lb weight bully.

/s
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He's not cutting much. He fights close to his walk around weight.
 
markg171 said:
Let alone that we're also very loosely defining Jake as a boxer. He's fought:
  • A Youtuber (amateur bout)
  • A Youtuber
  • An NBA player
  • Ben
  • Tyron
  • Tyron
Only 3/6 of his opponents have been actual fighters, and only 4/6 athletes at all. Nor does he even have a long training or amateur background and was just waiting till ready to fight or something. He just started doing it at the same time he started training. He's not beating fellow boxers to really call him a boxer yet himself. If he were coming off the Tommy Fury win that this fight should've been I'd be ready to start calling him a boxer, but right now it's being very generous/disengenuous to call him one as though he really is an expert specialist with his hands.

People are pretending he has the extensive training, amateur career, and pro career behind him of a "real" boxer, and not a guy who's essentially been doing the beginning of an amateur career. Like yeah, it's one thing if you took a guy like Woodley and matched him against a comparative top 15 boxer, of course he's supposed to lose that and that's a real mismatch. But against Jake's *actual* experience level I don't understand how people can say he shouldn't be losing these bouts. If he truly has better striking than them it's because they somehow wasted a huge portion of their career never learning. Which is a separate problem entirely.

And hell, but it's worth mentioning that before Jake took up boxing he was actually an amateur wrestler, which is the very knock people are using to justify these MMA guys losing. They're acting like he only knows how to throw punches, when Jake himself is a grappler who learned striking too lol.
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That's the point, he's not even considered high level in boxing yet. He's skilled but in actuality his boxing level is around amateur level. Could be early pro level, we'll see when he fights an actual boxer to gauge his real skill set. That just make the overall argument worse. That someone with that level of training and skillset is able to do this to UFC/mma world champions.
 
Shaddows said:
So... you don't post? You just did, kid. LOL
That alone proves how dumb you are.

So you admit Woodley, Askren and every single fighter Jake called out fought at WW or below. Thank you for admitting you were wrong.

It seems you enjoy getting humiliated...so keep trying.
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I have 4K messages in 11 years. You have 33k in 10. You not being able to tell the difference shows you aren’t to bright.

Who cares. His real weight in about the same as Paul.

Shouldn’t you be asking me if I would like a large fry with that by now. Since we know that is what you do for a living.
 
There's a size limit to everything. Jake is smart enough to "box" smaller fighters. There's a reason he's not trying to box Anderson Silva. Even though he meets the criteria far beyond Woodley. Same for Vitor. They just happen to be his size. Pussy ass.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
It's not a dumb comment, it's just people think it's impossible or something. That's part of the problem. Before the Conor and Jake Paul boxing fights people were high on mma's boxing skill level, those fights changed the narrative. Now it's mma fighters can't have boxing at that level because of this and that. They are excuses and they can get their boxing at that level. They just don't train the same as boxers and understand the boxing techniques at that level of understanding. It's mostly just the basics that mma fighters work on and that's why there is a skill gap difference between mma and boxers.

It's normal for an mma fighter to have world class grappling but not world class boxing? LOL both is possible.
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Kid, it seems you are just too fucking stupid to understand.
Boxing for MMA is a lot less than you need for boxing itself.
The defense changes (because you have to defend against kicks and takedowns as well).
The angles changes.
The positioning changes.
The fucking mindset changes.

To give you a simple example: Go watch Conor & Floyd again.
Check how many times Conor advanced and "took Floyd's back". Quite a few times.
Why is that? Because in MMA this would be a great advantage. In Boxing, it's stupid and the referee separates you.

Those are simple things that separates Boxing from MMA.
Boxing only defends the upperbody. MMA you have to defend all your body against kicks, takedowns, elbows, etc.
The glove also changes....

The ONLY thing that is the same is that in both you throw punches. But that's saying Volleyball is the same as soccer because both uses balls.
 
TheComputerGuy said:
I have 4K messages in 11 years. You have 33k in 10. You not being able to tell the difference shows you aren’t to bright.

Who cares. His real weight in about the same as Paul.

Shouldn’t you be asking me if I would like a large fry with that by now. Since we know that is what you do for a living.
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Logic defeats, you, kid.
That just means you were stuck on double-shifts at your MacDonald.
While my work allows me plenty of free time, so I can post here ;)

But the fact you "don't post" is actually a blessing, judging how asinine your posts are.
 
Shaddows said:
Kid, it seems you are just too fucking stupid to understand.
Boxing for MMA is a lot less than you need for boxing itself.
The defense changes (because you have to defend against kicks and takedowns as well).
The angles changes.
The positioning changes.
The fucking mindset changes.

To give you a simple example: Go watch Conor & Floyd again.
Check how many times Conor advanced and "took Floyd's back". Quite a few times.
Why is that? Because in MMA this would be a great advantage. In Boxing, it's stupid and the referee separates you.

Those are simple things that separates Boxing from MMA.
Boxing only defends the upperbody. MMA you have to defend all your body against kicks, takedowns, elbows, etc.
The glove also changes....

The ONLY thing that is the same is that in both you throw punches. But that's saying Volleyball is the same as soccer because both uses balls.
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I understand it well and have experience in both. I've trained with pros in both boxing and mma. I understand the difference very well. The difference is boxing in mma training for the most part is very basic, and that's why the skill gap difference is there. They aren't training advanced boxing, they aren't around high level boxers/trainers/coaches to know the difference. The reason why more mma fighters have world class grappling, is because they are training and around other high level grapplers so their skill levels increase overall. Not a lot of mma fighters are around high level boxers in training/sparring/coaching. That's the difference.

To think mma fighters can only attain world class grappling but not world class boxing is part of the reason as to why mma fighters can get to that level of boxing. Even in mma if you take the back you can't strike and it's for grappling situations. You can't hit the back of the head in mma striking either. People think boxing is so different, it's not. You can do everything in boxing in mma. There was a time when people said jabs don't work in mma because mma striking is different and the gloves, etc. They just didn't know how to properly throw and use the jab. That's why they didn't think it would work in mma. It's the same for the rest of the high level boxing techniques.

Yes you have to make slight adjustments, but you do that as well in grappling and all striking in mma. People want to believe only world class grappling, and world class kickboxing can be attained by mma fighters - but not world class boxing?
 
BoxMeIrl said:
This argument would be fine if Paul was an actual boxer. He's a YouTuber who has been training a few years and hasn't fought a single actual boxer. Y'all trying to act like an MMA guy got starched because he stepped outside his element. There's punching in MMA too...and apparently MMA fighters are pretty bad at it...
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You go box him up then mate, if it bothers you that much...
 
the_details said:
We don't really know this. Woodley's more recent MMA fights have shown that he's not necessarily going to achieve what he's capable in the octagon. Or in the boxing ring, for that matter.
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There is always a chance, even if it's a really small chance, it still counts...
 
Haha! Of course it’s a “bad look” getting KO’d by Paul. It’s not like he wanted too, though.
 
It's probably easier to laugh at yourself losing in a secondary sport to your main career. Got the payday, isn't really their area, so it doesn't matter the same way.
 
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