Crime Dayton, OH Nightclub Shooting: 9 Dead, 26 Injured

[Merlotte's]

How does patriotism fit into this equation?

I guess it doesn’t. Just my reaction to shootings happening in my country every few days. Approached 3rd world levels of violence long ago and we still like to point out how much better we are than the rest of the world.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I am not blaming it on the left, I am just saying sometimes certain leftists don't deal with the hypocrisy effectively. The better way to do that would be to consciously remain consistent and give poor, drug riddled white communities the same benefit of the doubt and empathy that is given to poor communities of color. But I don't see that from some leftists who seem almost gleeful in pointing the finger at the wretched among whites.

@panamaican likes to call it 'white mediocrity.'

He revels in it.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

That article sums this issue up rather nicely, although I personally disagree with some of the proposed solutions (e.g. Severe restrictions on gun owner ship and curbing free speech).

Also, I didn't see adequate discussion of the unprecedented amounts of psychological pressure people experience these days. There are also historical, cultural, etc factors that deserve attention well-before any discussions about severely limiting the fundamental rights of the vast majority of citizens while the root causes are left untreated.

Seems like people should spend less time banging their head up against a guaranteed right and devote their resources to getting kids help at an early age. I'm talking as young as elementary school. Make a real effort to correct that anti-social behavior from a young age. Find out if it's parents or peers fucking them up. Show 'em some love and understanding. Teach 'em to place nice with others. That type of stuff.

 

[panamaican]

I'm not misunderstanding your point, as I largely agree with it. You just widely missed on the topic of the opioid epidemic vs drug epidemic in predominately minority areas. If you wanted to bring up meth use throughout the country, alcoholism on the res, or the prevalence of cocaine in largely bougie areas, then sure. These aren't pushed on, let alone prescribed to, people by medical professionals and given as medicine.



Again, reductivism.

Like I said - one dealer is on the street, the other dealer is in an office both are pushing addictive products on people for profit. Don't just say it's reductive - I said tell me the difference.

 

[panamaican]

@panamaican likes to call it 'white mediocrity.'

He revels in it.

Why would I revel in "white mediocrity"? I don't revel in anyone's mediocrity. That's a very silly thing to write.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Why would I revel in "white mediocrity"? I don't revel in anyone's mediocrity. That's a very silly thing to write.

It was pretty clear that you were quite enjoying yourself for the couple of days after you came up with that particular racist troll talking point.

 

[panamaican]

I am not blaming it on the left, I am just saying sometimes certain leftists don't deal with the hypocrisy effectively. The better way to do that would be to consciously remain consistent and give poor, drug riddled white communities the same benefit of the doubt and empathy that is given to poor communities of color. But I don't see that from some leftists who seem almost gleeful in pointing the finger at the wretched among whites.

I'm sure there are some. I'm disagreeing with it being a "both sides" issue because of the causal factor and because the holders of ongoing contradictory positions are not generally on the left.

I can agree that some on the left seem gleeful when pointing to the wretched among whites. But do they subscribe to the ideology that those wretched among the whites are there because the entire white culture is to blame? That is the fundamental difference because those extremists on the right point to the wretched among minorities, gays, etc. and say "That entire culture is to blame," while seeming gleeful about it.

And that is a huge difference. Now, if you're saying that these certain lefties are blaming the entire white culture for drugs in rural America, White nationalist terrorism, and poverty then I can see the both sides things. But I haven't seen that. I've seen the glee but I haven't seen the extension of causality to the degree that they say "All of white culture is to blame for those specific problems hence there is no reason to address the problem."

Because even the gleeful among the left still seem to agree that the drugs, white nationalist terrorism, and rural poverty is a problem that deserves an honest solution beyond "Fuck 'em, it's just fucked up white culture."

 

[panamaican]

It was pretty clear that you were quite enjoying yourself for the couple of days after you came up with that particular racist troll talking point.

You obviously don't remember that thread very well. I didn't even come up with the talking point, I was sharing something I had heard someone else say and how it was uniquely different expression and what it meant from a sociological perspective.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

You obviously don't remember that thread very well. I didn't even come up with the talking point, I was sharing something I had heard someone else say and how it was uniquely different expression and what it meant from a sociological perspective.

And I'm sure if I started talking about 'black mediocrity' you'd take no issue with it at all.

 

[panamaican]

And I'm sure if I started talking about 'black mediocrity' you'd take no issue with it at all.

You really want to get into the types of things that you post? I mean, I have all 25 of the times that you've been reported. A a running list of all of the things you were NOT carded for would seriously poke a hole in the idea that we're just throwing around cards for everything.

@SBJJ your good buddy here asked someone why they hadn't killed themselves yet just a few months ago and he wasn't carded for it. Yet here he is insisting that there's some sort of bias in play. Note the utter hypocrisy with which he is acting.

That is the exact type of behavior that I'm referring to when it comes to these allegations of mod bias. You've benefited from our alleged bias while screaming for others to be punished. This reminded me of why I usually ignore you.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

You really want to get into the types of things that you post? I mean, I have all 25 of the times that you've been reported. A a running list of all of the things you were NOT carded for would seriously poke a hole in the idea that we're just throwing around cards for everything.

@SBJJ your good buddy here asked someone why they hadn't killed themselves yet just a few months ago and he wasn't carded for it. Yet here he is insisting that there's some sort of bias in play. Note the utter hypocrisy with which he is acting.

That is the exact type of behavior that I'm referring to when it comes to these allegations of mod bias. You've benefited from our alleged bias while screaming for others to be punished. This reminded me of why I usually ignore you.

Quote the post and give context. Don't be a little coward now.

In fact give all 25 of the reported posts with the reporter's names and lets see exactly how a small handful of guys get people like Rip banned for nothing just by reporting them frivolously over and over.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I'm waiting.

 

[jamel]

Did this asshole shoot that club up cause his sister is down with the swirl?

 

[jrams]

Like I said - one dealer is on the street, the other dealer is in an office both are pushing addictive products on people for profit. Don't just say it's reductive - I said tell me the difference.

I already did. People are getting addicted to opioids through prescriptions and migrating to black market drugs once hooked. It's not a cultural thing glorifying the life of a junkie or the desire of escapism. It's more analogous to the government and medical practitioners saying tobacco is good for you than it is crackheads or meth addicts. Being reductive and saying both are the same, both must be cultural or neither must be, is just a bad faith argument.

However, you know this and you are just arguing disingenuously like usual.

 

[ithinktheymad]

I own you

Do you even own the piece of land you're posting from lol

 

[goldennirvana]

 

[panamaican]

Quote the post and give context. Don't be a little coward now.

In fact give all 25 of the reported posts with the reporter's names and lets see exactly how a small handful of guys get people like Rip banned for nothing just by reporting them frivolously over and over.

Yeah, as usual. Deflect and suggest that you're somehow blameless. Never any attempt to actually own your behavior.

Meanwhile - where is this unmodded post?

 

[HockeyBjj]

Does anyone know if this shooter would have passed or failed the universal background check bill the house passed that the Senate isn't voting on? Would it have done any good here or no?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I already did. People are getting addicted to opioids through prescriptions and migrating to black market drugs once hooked. It's not a cultural thing glorifying the life of a junkie or the desire of escapism. It's more analogous to the government and medical practitioners saying tobacco is good for you than it is crackheads or meth addicts. Being reductive and saying both are the same, both must be cultural or neither must be, is just a bad faith argument.

However, you know this and you are just arguing disingenuously like usual.

Damn, @panamaican's taking it from all angles today.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Yeah, as usual. Deflect and suggest that you're somehow blameless. Never any attempt to actually own your behavior.

Meanwhile - where is this unmodded post?

Exactly. You won't show the post because that would give context and show that I wasn't encouraging the guy to kill himself.

Get fucked you little coward liar.