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KnightTemplar said:
The problem is that a presidential term is, at most, eight years. So you would need to elect at a minimum 4 presidents with the moral courage to resist a massively well funded and brutal political campaign by the NRA and it's fellow travellers.

Good luck with that;)
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Not quite, imo.

At the beginning of Obama's presidency, universal healthcare was laughable even among many Democrats, much less Republicans. But once he did it, it normalized it. Now universal healthcare is expected and the discussion is over the best way to make it happen, even though Donnie reversed Obama's policies, he still keeps promising to provide a universal healthcare alternative. There is no longer a viable candidate who doesn't want it.

This is something that always frustrates me about Republicans. They don't seem to understand that good things can be normalized. They worry that legalizing gay marriage will lead to increased homosexuality and lead to a slippery slope toward beastiality or whatever, but they can't fathom that legislating against guns could over time lead to a decrease in gun violence. Liberals, and Democrats, for all their faults, get this. We did it with drunk driving. We did it with smoking. Normalization is huge. Cultural change is a real thing.

It should be obvious, given our electoral system. We elect the leader of our country through a popularity contest, lol. We don't carefully select from our top academics and military leaders and put them through a series of political and history exams, we just choose the most superficially charming idiot who makes us feel good. That person's job isn't to be smart, their job is to do what popular people do, which is just show the country what "cool" should be, whether that's not smoking cigarettes or exacting revenge on our enemies or celebrating gay marriage or insulting black political figures or leading a gun ban. People are sheep, they'll follow.

Anyway, tl;dr you don't need four presidents, just one.
 
It’s sad too see far Leftists try to blame this on White people, who are the majority of the country.
 
panamaican said:
I don't think this is a "both sides" issue because it is broader than this. Every time, some portion of society has suffered from economic, criminal or social tragedy, a portion of the property jumps up to declaim the culture that is suffering. Drugs - culture. Terrorism - culture. Poverty - culture.

As soon as the same tragedy applies to them, they concoct non-cultural excuses. Drugs - Drug manufacturers, mental health. Terrorism - mental health. Poverty - globalists, outsourcing.

The same fucking problems, very different excuses. If no one calls out the bullshit then we're never going to solve the problems. Because if you claim that Islamic terrorism is cultural but white nationalist terrorism is mental health then you cannot create a cohesive approach to "terrorism". If inner city poverty is culture but rural poverty is outsourcing then you cannot create a cohesive approach to "poverty".

Apply that to every American problem that people try to pretend has different origins based on who the perpetrators are and you'll see why nothing can be legitimately solved.
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The drug issues surrounding poor communities and the opioid crisis (ie the one being pinned on drug manufacturers) isn't "[t]he same fucking problems." Don't apply the same reductivism you are railing against in your post.
 
JamesRussler said:
It’s sad too see far Leftists try to blame this on White people, who are the majority of the country.
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Who is blaming this on "white people"? White Supremacists and White Nationalists makes sense, but not white people in general.
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Thanks. Instead of just facts and good sources, can you find some juicy gossip and shit too? I miss @sodapopinski. :(


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That's what I'm here for bud ;)

Thanks to the war room big dogs though, I've been beaten into submission and shy away from sharing my own hot takes :(
 
Leagon said:
Not quite, imo.

At the beginning of Obama's presidency, universal healthcare was laughable even among many Democrats, much less Republicans. But once he did it, it normalized it. Now universal healthcare is expected and the discussion is over the best way to make it happen, even though Donnie reversed Obama's policies, he still keeps promising to provide a universal healthcare alternative. There is no longer a viable candidate who doesn't want it.

This is something that always frustrates me about Republicans. They don't seem to understand that good things can be normalized. They worry that legalizing gay marriage will lead to increased homosexuality and lead to a slippery slope toward beastiality or whatever, but they can't fathom that legislating against guns could over time lead to a decrease in gun violence. Liberals, and Democrats, for all their faults, get this. We did it with drunk driving. We did it with smoking. Normalization is huge. Cultural change is a real thing.

It should be obvious, given our electoral system. We elect the leader of our country through a popularity contest, lol. We don't carefully select from our top academics and military leaders and put them through a series of political and history exams, we just choose the most superficially charming idiot who makes us feel good. That person's job isn't to be smart, their job is to do what popular people do, which is just show the country what "cool" should be, whether that's not smoking cigarettes or exacting revenge on our enemies or celebrating gay marriage or insulting black political figures or leading a gun ban. People are sheep, they'll follow.

Anyway, tl;dr you don't need four presidents, just one.
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That was my point; even if you manage to elect someone with the moral courage and political will to begin the process of disarming civilian America, there's every chance the next guy in line would simply reverse that process. And the point is moot in any case, as there's not a single candidate for 2020 who has made disarmament on that scale a campaign promise. Even Obama didn't try to do it, and he probably had the best chance of any POTUS in living memory to do so.
 
panamaican said:
It's not an infraction that gets you points. It's thread by thread and we can set for how long. It's a decent way to rein in some behavior that doesn't warrant carding but shouldn't be allowed to get out of control.

But if it was yesterday, it wasn't me.
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Mine wasn't out of control. But was just wondering who it was
 
jrams said:
The drug issues surrounding poor communities and the opioid crisis (ie the one being pinned on drug manufacturers) isn't "[t]he same fucking problems." Don't apply the same reductivism you are railing against in your post.
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So you mean the junkies you step over on the sidewalk aint the same thing?





 
jrams said:
The drug issues surrounding poor communities and the opioid crisis (ie the one being pinned on drug manufacturers) isn't "[t]he same fucking problems." Don't apply the same reductivism you are railing against in your post.
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You're misunderstanding my point. They are the same problem in that it's either culture or it's external factors/mental health.

You do not have a cultural drug problem in one community and a mental health + external factors drug problem in another community.

Drug companies and doctors are pushing opioids? Street dealers are pushing cocaine. Different business models - same approach. Same motive by the dealers - profit. Same cause of problems - the product is addictive. Tell me what the difference is?
 
panamaican said:
You're misunderstanding my point. They are the same problem in that it's either culture or it's external factors/mental health.

You do not have a cultural drug problem in one community and a mental health + external factors drug problem in another community.

Drug companies and doctors are pushing opioids? Street dealers are pushing cocaine. Different business models - same approach. Same motive by the dealers - profit. Same cause of problems - the product is addictive. Tell me what the difference is?
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Come on Man, you can't humanize Black people. What's wrong with you?
 
The not funny thing was, I heard about the mass shooting before El Paso and thought, "wow, its been a while since one of these." Second thought was, "well, school is out." Thats where we are at.
 
KnightTemplar said:
At a conservative estimate, there is one legally owned gun for every man, woman and child in America today. Add illegal weapons and that figure probably doubles at the very least. Enforcing gun control at this point in your history would be like trying to empty the Rio Grande with a bucket-chain.

You can make certain types of the more destructive firearms more difficult to obtain. You can perhaps restrict the amount of ammunition or even the number of guns any one person can hold at a time. But gun control as practiced by the vast majority of Western nations is not an option for America. That ship sailed, hit a fucking iceberg and sank.

And that's before we get into the massive political clout of groups like the NRA. No President, Republican or Democrat, is going to fight them head on. Massive changes to America's gun laws, the kind that might actually make these shootings more difficult to carry out, would be political suicide.

I'm sorry, but mass shootings will continue for the foreseeable future.
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Lets take the tool of the crime out of the picture for a second and ask ourselves, why the fuck are young males entering crowded places and killing people they don't even know?

How can someone not realize in a large crowd that at least someone in that crowd's life in valuable?
 
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