Darrell Issa labeled as a Racist

[Jack V Savage]

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one jack. If he knew about Hannity's propaganda game, why even bother going on his show?

I have no idea why anyone who isn't a line-toeing Republican would go on Hannity's show.

 

[James Keith]

And if it weren't for their concern about minorities' status rising, the South wouldn't be the most conservative part of the country.

Never heard of the bible belt?

The south historically has a very different origin than most of the rest of the country in many ways.

The socialism stuff is ridiculous, of course. Your an 80-year-old man, no? You should be more mature than that.

Your favorite dodge noted here.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Never heard of the bible belt?

The south historically has a very different origin than most of the rest of the country in many ways.

Yes, it's always been backwards, but that's as much a result of racism as anything else. People oppose sound economic policy that would lead to the region catching up to the rest of America because of local resentments.

Your favorite dodge noted here.

It's not a dodge. I addressed your point. It's just so unbecoming for an old man to be attacking policy by calling everything socialism.

 

[James Keith]

It's not a dodge. I addressed your point. It's just so unbecoming for an old man to be attacking policy by calling everything socialism.

No you dodged the point. You addressed neither solcialism nor gun control. And those were only examples of the left-wing platform you naively think southerners would embrace.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No you dodged the point. You addressed neither solcialism nor gun control. And those were only examples of the left-wing platform you naively think southerners would embrace.

I don't think that Southerners would embrace socialism. You couldn't tell that from my response? OK. Sorry. And I don't think they'd embrace gun control either. I would expect them to embrace pro-growth economic policy that has full employment as a target, though, anda reasonable safety net, which they do not currently in as large numbers as you'd expect.

 

[trojansc82]

Did the thought police at MSNBC decide whether or not Issa is a way-sis? Did he pass the way-sis litmus test?

This is way more important than the head of the IRS targeting individuals based on their political beliefs. (However in all seriousness I think we should only allow individuals to donate to political campaigns).

 

[James Keith]

I don't think that Southerners would embrace socialism. You couldn't tell that from my response? OK. Sorry. And I don't think they'd embrace gun control either. I would expect them to embrace pro-growth economic policy that has full employment as a target, though, anda reasonable safety net, which they do not currently in as large numbers as you'd expect.

Socialized medicine is socialism Jack. Wellfare is social democracy which is a halfass compromise with socialism. You throw terms like racism around based on the weakest twist of an argument whilst being a fanatical grammar nazi over socialism. I just presume this demonstrates you aren't smart enough to have the discussion and leave you to it generally. But don't claim you aren't dodging the argument.

And in case you actually are interested in learning something about which you are clearly ignorant, the south doesn't like other left wing policies for the same individualist and rural-culture-based reasons they don't like gun control.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Socialized medicine is socialism Jack.

Socialized medicine is like the VA system, where the hospitals are gov't owned and the doctors are state employees. And it still doesn't change the whole system to socialism. That's not what we have. We don't even have socialized insurance (except Medicare/Medicaid). And the South is certainly not opposed to the VA or Medicare/Medicaid, either.

Wellfare is social democracy which is a halfass compromise with socialism.

No it isn't. Socialism is worker or overall democratic control of the means of production. Social safety-net programs are not that.

You throw terms like racism around based on the weakest twist of an argument whilst being a fanatical grammar nazi over socialism. I just presume this demonstrates you aren't smart enough to have the discussion and leave you to it generally. But don't claim you aren't dodging the argument.

I addressed the argument.You can spew vitriol all over me because of it, but you can't honestly deny that I did address it.

And in case you actually are interested in learning something about which you are clearly ignorant, the south doesn't like other left wing policies for the same individualist and rural-culture-based reasons they don't like gun control.

Fear of blacks?

 

[James Keith]

No it isn't. Socialism is worker or overall democratic control of the means of production. Social safety-net programs are not that.

....hence my use of the following words:

* halfass
* comprimise
* with
* socialism.

Which word(s) lost you there?

I addressed the argument.You can spew vitriol all over me because of it, but you can't honestly deny that I did address it.

You did not address it. You continue to dodge with semantic arguments.

As I said the argument is just beyond your brain's capacity for pattern recognition I presume. There's hope though, this capacity gets better with age. Coincidentally it happens as people become conservative.

 

[Jack V Savage]

....hence my use of the following words:

* halfass
* comprimise
* with
* socialism.

Which word(s) lost you there?

You said "Socialized medicine is socialism Jack.

Social safety-net programs are not compromises with socialism. They're just a natural part of capitalism.

 

[James Keith]

You said "Socialized medicine is socialism Jack.

Indeed. That was a reference to socialized medicine.

The halfass compromise was a reference to welfare programs.

These would be two different policies.

Social safety-net programs are not compromises with socialism. They're just a natural part of capitalism.

Which the communists happen to consider a stepping stone to socialism.

 

[James Keith]

Fear of blacks?

By the way you go in exactly the same category as IDL with your shrill posts about stupid theories no one wants to hear yet again.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Which the communists happen to consider a stepping stone to socialism.

Irrelevant, if true. Some communists consider capitalism itself to be a stepping stone to socialism. Does that mean that supporting capitalism is the same as being a socialist?

Capitalism is not viable without a safety net, and anyone who wants to see it succeed (like me), needs to accept that.

 

[James Keith]

Irrelevant, if true. Some communists consider capitalism itself to be a stepping stone to socialism. Does that mean that supporting capitalism is the same as being a socialist?

If racists support a policy, party, or candidate should that also be irrelevant to our judgement of the policies, partys, or candidates?

Capitalism is not viable without a safety net, and anyone who wants to see it succeed (like me), needs to accept that.

which is why industrialization and economic growth didn't occur until after welfare was invented?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Some communists consider capitalism itself to be a stepping stone to socialism. Does that mean that supporting capitalism is the same as being a socialist?

Owned.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

which is why industrialization and economic growth didn't occur until after welfare was invented?

Do you think Bismarck was a socialist? Do you know why he advocated a welfare state?

 

[Jack V Savage]

If racists support a policy, party, or candidate should that also be irrelevant to our judgement of the policies, partys, or candidates?

That's irrelevant to the issue. What's with the constant changing of the subject?

To answer your question anyway (because I'm just that nice), the answer is "of course." Why would the fact that some idiots support a position affect our judgment of it?

I suppose that's a poor attempt to relate this to the observation that Republican policies would obviously leave 99% (at least--I think it's 100%) of the population worse off, and the party is only a national factor because of its successful appeal to white resentment.

which is why industrialization and economic growth didn't occur until after welfare was invented?

Irrelevant.

 

[James Keith]

Owned.

Seriously that argument was too stupid. Communists think capitalism will fail and hence result in socialism. Whereas a safety net is an intermediate system known as a "mixed economy", as in mixed socialism and capitalism.

I didn't feel like typing all this obvious junk but we can't have Jack misleading the kids.

Yeah if you want to point at someone supporting capitalism as evidence for them being socialist then yes I guess there is a small chance that they support it in hopes it will fail and create a revolution. Do you think it is the reason many people support capitalism?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Seriously that argument was too stupid. Communists think capitalism will fail and hence result in socialism. Whereas a safety net is an intermediate system known as a "mixed economy", as in mixed socialism and capitalism.

I didn't feel like typing all this obvious junk but we can't have Jack misleading the kids.

Yeah if you want to point at someone supporting capitalism as evidence for them being socialist then yes I guess there is a small chance that they support it in hopes it will fail and create a revolution. Do you think it is the reason many people support capitalism?

No. Nor do I think many people support social democracy because they see it as leading to socialism.

 

[James Keith]

No. Nor do I think people support social democracy because they see it leading to socialism.

How far they want to take it is arguable, there are always calls for more socialism from the left. People call to nationalize things constantly, they want to seize personal wealth, they want to create one new state-run aspect of the economy after another. They want the govt to guarantee everyone's needs. If that guarantee is there the market economy is just a sideshow.

But I'm fine calling such people halfass-socialists if that makes you feel better. The underlying belief in the "right" of the people to use the state to provide for their needs is the same.