Movies DARK PHOENIX v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

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Update: June 6, 2019

Dragonlord’s Review of DARK PHOENIX (No Spoilers)

Bottom Line: An unnecessary rehash with slightly better results this time around, Dark Phoenix marks the end of Fox's era of mishandling the franchise and the promise of better things to come with Marvel Studios.

Throughout the years we’ve had some really good X-Men films (X2, First Class, Days of Future Past), some decent (X-Men) and some widely-regarded really bad ones (The Last Stand, Apocalypse). Sadly, Dark Phoenix belongs to the third kind.

Longtime X-Men writer and producer Simon Kinberg makes his directorial debut and retells The Dark Phoenix Saga (he also co-wrote The Last Stand) but still fails miserably to adapt one of the most beloved X-Men comic book storylines ever. There are some slight improvements on Kinberg’s second attempt like a more nuanced characterization and downfall of Jean Grey but botches it up with haphazardly introducing an extra-terrestrial element that is just poorly executed.

The film is set in 1992 and starts off with an exciting space rescue mission with the X-Men now regarded as heroes in the eyes of the public. It’s a nice change of pace seeing the X-Men being cheered and idolized instead of being hated and hunted. The rescue mission goes awry and Jean Grey takes a hit but survives. This incident inadvertently causes Jean’s powers to spike off the charts but also unlocks a long-lost memory that starts her dark descent.

Regarded by many in the public as one of the worst actresses in Game of Thrones, I thought Sophie Turner did a respectable performance as Jean. Unlike Famke Janssen’s version in The Last Stand where her Jean just basically turns into a cold-hearted monster abruptly, Sophie’s transformation is more layered as we are privy into her emotional state filled with confusion, pain and rage.

At one point Jean visits Magneto (Michael Fassbender) in a tiny island where mutant refugees live. For comic book fans, this is just sad as this island is supposed to be Genosha. Jean’s arrival is just a contrived reason for Magneto to get involved again in the story which is a crucial problem with the recent X-Men movies as the other supposedly major characters are sidelined so that Prof. X, Magneto and Mystique get more screen time. Nonetheless, Fassbender is once again terrific as the Master of Magnetism and one of the high points of the film.

One thing that works against the film is that aside from Prof. X and Magneto, nobody really cares about the other characters. There isn't any emotional investment involved because these characters are mainly misused and marginalized for the past four X-films.

Another critical mistake by Fox is allowing each X-movies to jump to decades with each movie as if there’s a rush to catch up to 2000’s X-Men instead of taking their time after First Class and just set the next story just a few years apart. What’s worse is they squandered the reboot storyline after the events of Days of Future Past. So now we have this weird situation where characters who look way too young for their given age.

Chris Claremont's The Dark Phoenix Saga storyline was epic in its scope and Shakespearean in its tragedy. Kinberg's version is just sad with generic aliens acting as pseudo substitute for the Hellfire Club and Shi'ar Empire.

Other quick points: Cyclops was once again underused and underdeveloped (sigh). Quicksilver was sidelined early on to neutralize his OP super speed powers. Nightcrawler had some cool moments but did something out of character at the end that will leave a bad taste in your mouth if you are a Kurt Wagner comic fan. Jessica Chastain is wasted as the bland alien baddie who wants the Phoenix power for herself and her people. On one hand the action-packed finale set in a moving train was pretty good. On the other hand, there was no build-up and it just involved generic drone alien armies. The dialogue especially at the end was just horrible and corny.

Throughout the entire movie, the score was surprisingly good. Even when the scene playing was just mediocre, the fantastic music elevated it. I didn’t know until the end credits that uber composer Hans Zimmer did the soundtrack. It is no wonder that the score is one of the few highlights in the film.

And so Fox’s 19 years of handling the X-Men universe comes to an end, not with a bang but with a dud… as well as relief and excitement as this ushers the once-unfathomable dream of Marvel Studios taking over the reins on the X-Men franchise and hopefully doing it the right way. But in fairness to Fox, they brought us some memorable ones like Logan, X2, Days of Future Past and First Class. So thank you, Fox... and now kindly fuck off.

RATING: 5.5/10

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: June 10, 2019

"We Were Wrong": New Details Behind Fox's DARK PHOENIX Debacle

From the outset, it seemed that Fox, led by Stacey Snider and Emma Watts, and producers Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker had learned the wrong lessons from the disappointing Apocalypse.

Insiders tell The Hollywood Reporter that in a series of postmortem meetings on Apocalypse, execs came away thinking that the movie's failure had been due to an excessive amount of explosions and scale, not due to franchise fatigue generally. "There was a misguided feeling that [Apocalypse] was an anomaly, that we just got it wrong," says one Fox insider familiar with those meetings. "We were wrong."

Audience fatigue and erosion have hit even the most venerable franchises. Hence the proliferation of reboots, reimaginings and ever grander cinematic universe ambitions. “It’s a real head-scratcher on how you keep coming back,” says one studio executive, noting that even James Bond and Star Wars have had ups and downs. Some franchises, like Fast and Furious, have reinvented themselves with new concepts and a new cast. Others, such as Die Hard and Terminator, keep underperforming critically (if not commercially) no matter how persistently producers bring them back.

With Dark Phoenix, Fox did not reboot X-Men. In some ways, it doubled down on what it had; it went back to the cast from Apocalypse and then decided to tackle a story previously adapted in 2006’s X-Men: Last Stand, the Brett Ratner-directed entry generally considered among the worst in the franchise. Fox then tapped Simon Kinberg to helm the movie.

Kinberg co-wrote Last Stand and resurfaced years later as a producer on 2011's X-Men: First Class, which rebooted the series with a new cast and new time period. Kinberg became an architect of the franchise, but was not a director. However, he stepped behind the camera, to a lesser extent on Future Past, greater on Apocalypse, when director Bryan Singer would not show up on set, according to several sources. Kinberg's work on Apocalypse won over the franchise's A-list stars, whose three-film deals were up with that movie. The entire group decided to re-up for one last outing.

Shooting began at the end of June 2017 and wrapped in October of that year. But during postproduction, Kinberg and Fox realized reshoots would be needed. Due to a cast that included in-demand actors such as Jennifer Lawrence, James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Jessica Chastain and Nicholas Hoult, the reshoots didn’t occur until October 2018. What followed, according to several sources, was two weeks of principal shooting and three weeks of second unit, happening concurrently.

Fox executives were not concerned about the reshoots, which have become de rigueur for big superhero spectacles and are often built into contracts. (In fact, the X-Men movie that may have had the most reshoots is First Class, say current and former Fox executives. The movie, which shot in Georgia and London, wrapped its initial shoot with the third act only half complete because filmmakers knew their ending didn’t work. Reshoots occurred months later in Los Angeles, with the resulting movie a hit.) What the reshoots did, however, was force a change in release dates, and it’s here that Dark Phoenix, already made under ill-advised auspices, began to veer more off track.

At first, the movie had a release date of Nov. 2, 2018. With more work needed on the movie, it was pushed to Feb. 14, 2019. Then, with marketing already underway, Fox pushed the release date to June 3, 2019. Initially, the studio messaged that the move was to take advantage of a Chinese release and hopes for a strong global performance.

However, insiders tell THR that the move was to placate James Cameron, Fox’s most important filmmaker, and his concerns for his movie, Alita: Battle Angel. According to one source, Cameron felt Alita would lose horribly when facing a December opening weekend that included Aquaman and Bumblebee, with Mary Poppins Returns opening up two days earlier. He wanted his expensive movie shifted. Stacey Snider, according to this source, obliged, giving Alita the February date and moving Dark Phoenix to June. “Emma, Hutch and Simon begged her not do it,” says this source.

Part of the reasoning was that Dark Phoenix was not designed to be a summer movie, says the Fox insider. In some ways, it was designed to be an anti-Apocalypse, to have less spectacle and scale. Big for off-season, too small for summer, says this person.

At the time, preparations for the Disney-Fox acquisition were in full swing. Marketing and publicity and distribution execs were either being forced out or had one eye on the door. “The campaign was muddled,” says a former Fox executive. “Was this the final X-Men movie? Was it about a character going back? This movie just got lost.”

An NRG tracking poll taken in May showed that Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Studios' rival superhero franchise, was rated higher than Dark Phoenix as a choice for moviegoers — and that’s after Endgame had been playing in theaters for five weeks already. “Definite awareness never got a score over 75 on tracking,” says one insider. “An X-Men movie had never been below 90.”

“When definite awareness of Rocketman is higher than an X-Men movie, you know you’re in strange territory,” says another insider.

With the movie’s dismal opening, its low critics' score (22 percent on Rotten Tomatoes), and a B- Cinemascore with audiences signaling an outright rejection, the finger-pointing began in earnest. Lauren Shuler Donner, who has been a producer on the franchise since the first movie, tweeted, then deleted, “Save your condolences. I had zero, nothing to do with Dark Phoenix. Or Apocalypse, or New Mutants.”

Fox insiders say this is true, noting that Donner additionally did not have anything to do with the successful Logan and Deadpool and Deadpool 2, either, on which she received producer credit, thanks to generous contract terms. Donner, according to Fox insiders, has not been involved with the X-movies since leaving under a cloud of “creative differences” during the making of Future Past.

Meanwhile, one former Fox executive notes, “If the merger didn’t happen, some of these people would be worried about their jobs. If the merger didn’t happen, people would be clamoring for Fox to do what Sony did with Spider-Man and ask for Marvel’s help.”

Dark Phoenix is not technically the last X-Men movie made by Fox. New Mutants, plagued by horrible buzz and numerous release date shifts, is, at this stage, set to open next April. Whether that will happen remains to be seen. Some speculate the movie could shift to a streaming run on a Disney-owned digital platform.

“I never write off any great franchise if there’s one underperformer,” says senior box office analyst Paul Dergarabedian of Comscore. “It’s always a learning lesson. And there’s a lot of lessons to be learned from this one.”

There is a near-certainty that the property will be revived by Marvel itself, and its president Kevin Feige, although that is likely years away. “There is no rush to bring the X-Men to the marketplace after this,” says one producer. “And when they come back, it’s going to extend Marvel’s run another 10 years.”

Says Dergarabedian: “Never give up on a franchise that’s been this good, this ubiquitous and this influential. I’m sure there’s more to come.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...s-dismal-x-men-franchise-finale-plans-1216859
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Update: June 9, 2019

DARK PHOENIX Bombs with $33 Million Debut and Bound to Lose $100 Million+

Dark Phoenix was not the X-Men movie that moviegoers were looking forward to: Critics showed that with a 22% Rotten Tomatoes score, while audiences demonstrated that both in exits (B- CinemaScore, lowest ever for the franchise, and an awful 69% positive on PostTrak) and with their wallets, only spending $33M stateside, the lowest debut ever for the Fox/Marvel mutant franchise.

Even though Dark Phoenix is the No. 1 winner around the globe with $140M –down substantially from the worldwide launches of X-Men: Days of Future Past ($262.9M), Logan ($247.4M) and X-Men: Apocalypse ($166.6M), finance experts tell us that the tale of Jean Grey will burn out with an estimated $100M-$120M loss after ancillaries, off a combined production and P&A estimated cost of $350M+ (which includes reshoots). Final global B.O. is projected at $300M-$325M, with one film finance suit telling Deadline “If it drops like a stone, $285M. Don’t forget it was a holiday in China, and even that was pretty low ($45.7M).”

There’s a lot of finger-pointing to go around here, much of it falling on Fox, not new gargantuan parent Disney. It was Fox, in the end, that orphaned the finale of this once prized franchise to the Disney merger. Dark Phoenix completed shooting literally two summers ago, well before the announcement of the merger in December 2017. However, following that, paranoia set in among Fox suits, and, well, that only created further pox on Dark Phoenix.

Much of Dark Phoenix‘s failure comes off the stench of 2016’s X-Men: Apocalypse, which critics pegged before the latest chapter as the worst X-Men ever (47% Rotten RT), and the pic was the second-lowest grossing in the franchise stateside, $155.4M, with its Memorial Day grosses of $79M+ coming in well below the $100M that the industry was expecting at the time. Also, as social media monitor RelishMix observed heading into the weekend, X-Men fans already said goodbye to the mutants with that movie and Logan.

Now, for quite some time, the last two Bryan Singer X-Men movies (Days of Future Past and Apocalypse) and even 2009’s Wolverine: X-Men Origins have been Frankenstein-ed together during their last phases of production. Richard Donner reportedly finished Wolverine, while the village-effort of producer Hutch Parker, producer/scribe Simon Kinberg (both not available for comment on this piece), DP Newton Thomas Sigel, and editor/composer John Ottman picked up the huge slack on Days of Future Past and Apocalypse whenever Singer would reportedly go AWOL from the set. Kinberg, after his long tenure on the X-Men franchise and after finishing directing on Josh Trank’s Fantastic Four, was finally bestowed with Dark Phoenix, and with support from the Apocalypse cast, including Jennifer Lawrence.

Now, Dark Phoenix was originally planned to be two movies, we hear, and during late pre-production, the studio changed gears and said it was to be one movie. Kinberg, Deadline hears, was flexible and rewrote. Days of Future Past erased the timeline of The Last Stand, so a rebooted story about Jean Grey was possible here. Our sources say that testing Dark Phoenix was a continual headache, and the feature adaptation of Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and David Cockrum’s fan-beloved Dark Phoenix Saga comic was hard to get right.

Deadline hears that in one cut, Jean Grey dies, which wasn’t received well. But overall, the major ending change-up, executed in reshoots, entailed going from an intimate ending with Jean Grey (Sophie Turner), Tye Sheridan (Cyclops), and Charles Xavier (James McAvoy) against Jessica Chastain’s Vuk. The feeling from the audience in testing was that they wanted to see all the X-Men heroes fighting in the end. There have been reports out there that the ending was changed-up because it was too similar to Captain Marvel. This isn’t true: No one on the Fox/Dark Phoenix production side had any intel of what Captain Marvel would be like before it was released. It was the all-team reshoot that pushed Dark Phoenix from its original Nov. 2 release date (which went to ultimate 4-time Oscar winner and Fox blockbuster finale pre-merger Bohemian Rhapsody) to Feb. 14. Kinberg got to make the film he wanted to make, and was flexible about reshoots with the studio. But Fox production brass didn’t ride herd early enough, and by the time they did, production was too far down the road.

A note about reshoots: They’re completely normal on a superhero film of this size, and are routinely budgeted. Just because a superhero movie undergoes reshoots doesn’t mean that it’s destined to fail (i.e. Suicide Squad went from dark to funny in tone and dazzled with $746.8M). Deadline hears that Dark Phoenix had even less reshoots than X-Men: First Class, Days of Future Past and Apocalypse. And this is where we turn to Fox PR and marketing mismanaging the image and perception of Dark Phoenix. Word was leaked and not controlled about reshoots for Dark Phoenix and New Mutants, and when that isn’t managed, it already transmits a message to fans that something is afoul. The headlines on Star Wars: Rogue One‘s reshoots were less so than the public divorce of the studio from original Solo: A Star Wars Story directors Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, and that resulted in the former being a profitable film and the other a stinker.

The odor on Dark Phoenix became more toxic after the studio pushed the film back again from Feb. 14 to June 7 — and this was two days after they dropped the second trailer, which screamed out the release date of Feb. 14! Not only did that confuse fans, but it really sent the message that Dark Phoenix could be a potential turd.

First off, the movie was never intended to be a summer film. Dark Phoenix is darker and more psychologically complex than other X-Men movies. It was always seen as an off-season release, and the original plan was to get out ahead of Captain Marvel (March 8) and be the first female-led Marvel movie.

Deadline hears that Fox Studios CEO Stacey Snider was insistent on the change, and gave James Cameron the better pre-merger release date of Feb. 14 for Alita: Battle Angel after the pricey production was pulled out of the crowded Christmas corridor. Putting Dark Phoenix after Captain Marvel, and in particular after Avengers: Endgame, simply damaged the film’s image further. The best Marvel movies of the year are already set in critics and audience minds, and, natch, innate comparisons will be made. Fox, back in September, said they pushed Dark Phoenix to June after the second trailer popped in China, and opening over this weekend’s holiday was in the pic’s best interest (China beat the U.S. opening, $48.1M to $33M).

This leads us to the mishap of Fox marketing. With the Disney-Fox merger looming, they’ve been a mess, distracted, with a revolving door of execs. Around the time that Alita came out, that the filmmakers were dealing with different people in different marketing meetings. Ever since Marc Weinstock left Fox as the head of domestic marketing in November 2016 (he’s now over at Paramount), the studio has been challenged to event-ize their slate (i.e. War of the Planet of the Apes, Alita, Dark Phoenix, and even Widows, which played well with audiences. However, give credit where credit is due — Bohemian Rhapsody was a magnificent swan song for the studio).

In meetings, some marketing execs didn’t even realize the release date changes on Dark Phoenix, and weren’t cognizant of the fact that the film was opening up against another franchise this weekend (i.e. Secret Life of Pets 2). Says one source, “They never brought it up in meetings that we were on the same date.” Another bashed the marketing materials: “Sophie Turner is a beautiful actress, and they never showed that in any of the marketing materials. Instead, they made her look like a zombie.”

Once the merger happened, there was little for Disney to do. Materials were already up at CinemaCon at the beginning of April days after the merger. We hear Disney tried to push Dark Phoenix through its vertical integration, i.e. Disney Channel, but they didn’t have enough time and were inheriting a film that already had bad buzz with its reshoots and release date changes.

Dark Phoenix‘s calamity should be compared to the great success of Sony’s Venom. Here’s a movie that had bad reviews (29%) and constant buzz about fights between the pic’s director Ruben Fleischer and star Tom Hardy. Sony made Venom work with a great release date (Oct 5, with the pic posting the month’s best opening of $80.2M), sold the fun and gave audiences a great ride — all the way to $855M worldwide. Sony, led by studio boss Tom Rothman’s eye, willed Venom to its accomplishments. That didn’t happen here with Fox and Dark Phoenix.

Coming away from this weekend, Fox’s greatest loss is Disney’s greatest gain: Even before Dark Phoenix opened, there was talk about how Disney’s MCU is bound to resuscitate X-Men.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/dark-phoenix-bombs-at-the-box-office-reasons-why-1202629749/

 

[heavyarms21]

Update: June 6, 2019

Dragonlord’s Review of DARK PHOENIX (No Spoilers)

Throughout the years we’ve had some really good X-Men films (X2, First Class, Days of Future Past), some decent (X-Men) and some generally-regarded really bad ones (The Last Stand, Apocalypse). Sadly, Dark Phoenix belongs to the third kind.

X-Men writer and producer Simon Kinberg makes his directorial debut and retells The Dark Phoenix Saga (he also co-wrote The Last Stand) but still fails miserably to adapt one of the most beloved X-Men comic book storylines ever. There are some slight improvements on Kinberg’s second attempt like a more nuanced characterization and downfall of Jean Grey but botches it up with haphazardly introducing an extra-terrestrial element that is just poorly executed.

The film is set in 1992 and starts off with an exciting space rescue mission with the X-Men now regarded as heroes in the eyes of the public. It’s a nice change of pace seeing the X-Men being cheered and idolized instead of being hated and hunted. The rescue mission goes awry and Jean Grey takes a hit but survives. This incident inadvertently causes Jean’s powers to spike off the charts but also unlocks a long-lost memory that starts her dark descent.

Regarded by many in the public as one of the worst actresses in Game of Thrones, I thought Sophie Turner did a respectable performance as Jean. Unlike Famke Janssen’s version in The Last Stand where her Jean just basically turns into a cold-hearted monster abruptly, Sophie’s transformation is more layered as we are privy into her emotional state filled with confusion, pain and rage.

At one point Jean visits Magneto (Michael Fassbender) in a tiny island where mutant refugees live. For comic book fans, this is just sad as this island is supposed to be Genosha. Jean’s arrival is just a contrived reason for Magneto to get involved again in the story which is a crucial problem with the recent X-Men movies as the other supposedly major characters are sidelined so that Prof. X, Magneto and Mystique get more screen time. Nonetheless, Fassbender is once again terrific as the Master of Magnetism and one of the high points of the film.

Another critical mistake by Fox is allowing each X-movies to jump to decades with each movie as if there’s a rush to catch up to 2000’s X-Men instead of taking their time after First Class and just set the next story just a few years apart. What’s worse is they squandered the reboot storyline after the events of Days of Future Past. So now we have this weird situation where characters who look way too young for their given age.

Other quick points: Cyclops was once again underused and underdeveloped (sigh). Nightcrawler had some cool moments but did something out of character at the end that will leave a bad taste in your mouth if you are a Kurt Wagner comic fan. Jessica Chastain is wasted as the alien who wants the Phoenix power for herself. On one hand the action-packed finale set in a moving train was pretty good. On the other hand, there was no build-up and it just involved generic drone alien armies.

Throughout the entire movie, the score was surprisingly good. Even when the scene playing was just mediocre, the fantastic music elevated it. I didn’t know until the end credits that uber composer Hans Zimmer did the soundtrack. It is no wonder that the score is one of the few highlights in the film.

And so Fox’s 19 years of handling the X-Men universe comes to an end, not with a bang but with a groan… and relief and excitement as this ushers the once-unfathomable dream of Marvel Studios taking over the reins and doing it the right way. But in fairness to Fox, they brought us some great ones like Logan, X2, Days of Future Past and First Class. So thank you for that.

Rating: 5.5/10 or 6/10

I rated it the same. It was just so damn Flat.

 

[heavyarms21]

Fox can say they were the 1st one to really make the Team Superhero flick work but they never truly unleashed its potential , especially with the huge cast of mutants to use .

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Fox can say they were the 1st one to really make the Team Superhero flick work but they never truly unleashed its potential , especially with the huge cast of mutants to use .

Best thing Fox ever did was cast Hugh Jackman as the wolverine

A+++++ casting right there

 

[heavyarms21]

Best thing Fox ever did was cast Hugh Jackman as the wolverine

A+++++ casting right there

They almost didn't even have him as the original guy dropped out to do Mission Impossible 2 .

I think it's funny that Jackman and Femke Jannsen being tall makes Marsden as Cyclops look like a Cuck.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

They almost didn't even have him as the original guy dropped out to do Mission Impossible 2 .

I think it's funny that Jackman and Femke Jannsen being tall makes Marsden as Cyclops look like a Cuck.

In the TV Show Cyclops was a badass and leader of the X-men

In the movies he has always been a loser

 

[heavyarms21]

In the TV Show Cyclops was a badass and leader of the X-men

In the movies he has always been a loser

Part of that is Jackman being more leading man Material than Marsden.

 

[Strange King]

Best thing Fox ever did was cast Hugh Jackman as the wolverine

A+++++ casting right there

Hes a great actor but he was in some shitty films and honestly will be easy to replace. Once someone puts on the costume he will be forgotten

 

[Organic Damage]

Part of that is Jackman being more leading man Material than Marsden.

The other part is it's hard to look like a badass following bald Daddy's orders when you have a hairy rebel slicing and dicing whoever the fuck he wants.

RIP foX-men, don't let the Danger Room door hit you on the ass on the way out.

 

[heavyarms21]

Hes a great actor but he was in some shitty films and honestly will be easy to replace. Once someone puts on the costume he will be forgotten

Don't insult Jean Valjean like that

 

[JbModest]

Disappointed but will still see it.

 

[heavyarms21]

The other part is it's hard to look like a badass following bald Daddy's orders when you have a hairy rebel slicing and dicing whoever the fuck he wants.

RIP foX-men, don't let the Danger Room door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Sucks because Cap actually has leadership qualities like a more Asshole Captain America . He needed to be more of a badass.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

From my perspective, Wolverine is more lone wolf type and shouldn't be leading anybody

Cyclops is the leader the X-men need

 

[heavyarms21]

From my perspective, Wolverine is more lone wolf type and shouldn't be leading anybody

Cyclops is the leader the X-men need

They need to cast an Alpha as Cyclops . Hope MCU Cyclops gets that right .

 

[Hitman81]

X-Men were one of my favorite things growing up. I couldn't give a fuck less about this movie. That's how bad these movies have gotten.

 

[MMA since 1993]

As soon as i started reading your review, i guessed that you were gonna give it a 5/10... i was off by .5

 

[MMA since 1993]

X-Men were one of my favorite things growing up. I couldn't give a fuck less about this movie. That's how bad these movies have gotten.

All these idiots had to do was follow the x men cartoon from the 90's. They couldn't even do that.

Same thing for dc. The batman amimated series were a perfect blueprint for them to follow after nolans movies... the formula is there, i don't get why they refuse to follow what works.

 

[heavyarms21]

All these idiots had to do was follow the x men cartoon from the 90's. They couldn't even do that.

Same thing for dc. The batman amimated series were a perfect blueprint for them to follow after nolans movies... the formula is there, i don't get why they refuse to follow what works.

Justice League too. Fuck the early 2000s cartoon was Iconic as well.

 

[horc00]

It's mind-boggling how FOX fucks up once again by having the same shitty writer (Simon Kinberg) responsible for Last Stand, Apocalypse and Fantastic Four back on board to write Dark Phoenix. While he also wrote Days of Future Past which was awesome, that still puts him on a 75% track record of fucking up Marvel films. Now that's gone up to 80%.

Maybe they should've listened to this guy.
https://screenrant.com/xmen-first-class-director-apocalypse-days-future-past/