Daniel Cormier responds to Jon Jones


Pretty simple answer. If you have two wins over an opponent, you’re not going to keep giving them advantages. You’re actually supposed to be given more advantages as the winner, being the a-side.

When he wins, does he then proceed to fight DC at open weight? Then after that, he fights DC in Louisiana with one hand tied behind his back?
 
Pretty simple answer. If you have two wins over an opponent, you’re not going to keep giving them advantages. You’re actually supposed to be given more advantages as the winner, being the a-side.

When he wins, does he then proceed to fight DC at open weight? Then after that, he fights DC in Louisiana with one hand tied behind his back?
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Poor Jon, had such a talented HW division to fight in for so long, but that darned bulk just took 4 years to put on, so he was forced to fight white belt Gane and then duck Tom. Poor Jon!
 
Jon Jones is the kinda guy who would beat him even at that even though it might kill him.
I don't doubt the competitive drive.

But I bet DC could put away a serious amount of hot dogs.

That gut didn't grow itself.
 
Pretty simple answer. If you have two wins over an opponent, you’re not going to keep giving them advantages. You’re actually supposed to be given more advantages as the winner, being the a-side.

When he wins, does he then proceed to fight DC at open weight? Then after that, he fights DC in Louisiana with one hand tied behind his back?


In Louisiana.

Openweight.


NO STEROIDS !!


OOOOHHHH.

open weight + low T could make it interesting.
 
I don't doubt the competitive drive.

But I bet DC could put away a serious amount of hot dogs.

That gut didn't grow itself.
But has he got the speed required for something like that!
I am a great eater but do it very slow.
 
DC was literally stripped for refusing to fight Jones.

Anything else is hogwash
Anything? Even Jon's own words there where he admits a HW DC would have an advantage over him and is equally skilled?
Probably the reason Jon felt like he needed to roid to win?
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DC knew the writing was on the wall.

Once he'd gone up to heavyweight he was never going back to LHW.
Again, read that article.

DC himself said in the link provided he would've defended at LHW in January if offered, but the UFC wanted him to defend in December and he refused because he claimed he had a hand injury that wouldn't be healed in time.

Then he signed to fight Lewis a week later for November and proved he was bullshitting and just didn't want to fight Jones. Which is why he was also trying to fight Brock in January too. It was simply about not fighting Jones.
And with his back issues that sealed it.
His back issues have nothing to do with it. The back injury occurred weeks after the UFC had already declared DC was being stripped and Jones/Gus 2 was occurring for the LHW title instead.

There was no reason to go back to LHW now that he no longer had to defend that title he wouldn't have in a few more months.
 
Anything? Even Jon's own words there where he admits a HW DC would have an advantage over him and is equally skilled?
Probably the reason Jon felt like he needed to roid to win?
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If you guys ever bothered to include the very next second instead of being dishonest you'd know he said the issue was he was CURRENTLY only LHW sized and DC was HW sized so THAT rightfully gave DC a size advantage that wouldn't be fair.

He said nothing at all about them BOTH being HW sized until recently when he said he'd have won it now that he feels at HW he's faster than a HW DC.
 
Besides, JJ's opinion then # his opinion now. He got better, more technical and even more knowledgeable about fighting tactics, octagon control, precision shots, analysis... And he may have adapted to HW better than he thought he would have. In fact, he dominantly defeated 2 opponents who were high level ones from JJ's careers own standards...

Stipe had a good clash with DC but was better. Jon Jones tho, was considerably better than even Stipe... Even if we like, say a younger DC would be ~ Stipe Miocic, the way JJ dominated Stipe is telling to me, that he adapted to MMA in a way elite opponents like DC, Stipe, Gus, who were once big tough fight to JJ, are now bound to be dominated by him. It's not for nothing that JJ has gone through 3 generations of fighters... You can only reach that stunning feat by improving your own game. For example, Gus was already having troubles with the new generation on LHW despite being same age as JJ. JJ beat Smith (who had beat Gus), then he beat Tiago Santos and Reyes. The latter two who were on route to be the among the best of this generation. Tiago Santos was coming off a win over Jan Blackowski, a KO... Reyes was on 12-0, most by round 1 finishes. JJ beat them, the up and comers from the third generation, who were at their best when fighting JJ. Even still, unlike 99% of fighters, JJ dug deep, toughened it out and beat both Santos and Reyes.

JJ said after the Santos fight that he feels Thiago Santos was the strongest fighter he had ever faced by then... Ppl may wonder how stronger than Gus? Than DC? Well, again, he was from the up and coming generation, as well as Reyes... JJ defeated Gus in their second fight dominantly, so he put a gap on their former rivals, and that gap was enough to get a hard earned win vs the then best ones from the new generation (who'd be, in the shape they fought JJ, a challenge for the top LHWs now, just seeing at Reyes now while getting back his confidence )...

But in the 3 years, it seems Jon Jones improved even more and put a gap on the new generation like Cyril Gane. He was similar to Reyes in terms of athleticism and grappling, jiu jitsu experience. DDP before the fight even said he feels Gane is like the Jon Jones of the LHW. He didn't mention the grappling I'd say, because takedown defense was getting way better at upper weight classes, like 205 and HW, as JJ struggled to take Reyes down. And Gane hasn't worse grappling, instead, Jon Jones improved his grappling. As well as his takedown... Which is more like unpredictable set ups now, rather than double leg. And he improved his grappling in general. That's how he could keep a 247 lb Stipe on the ground and do way more damage and for far more time than DC could when fighting a Stipe who weighed 232 lb... Gordon Ryan stated that he and JJ practiced a lot, that they overtrained to manage to always keep the opponent on the ground even if they are good wrestlers — as Stipe could get up from DC... And if the opponent is more BJJ focused, then JJ says it's even easier, as he has worked a lot in BJJ offense and defense from submissions from the bottle... Combining it with ground and pound and ways to drain the opponents energy while on the ground.

Like, I'm not a fan of the person Jon Jones. But I just find it simply... Intriguing. Because he's likely the biggest talent ever in MMA. Ppl talk about Dana being all this and that... But Dana knows he owes JJ some $ considering even fighters like Topuria made more in the UFC than JJ. Plus, Dana knows that JJ is the best. I don't think he says that in a way to motivate JJ to keep fighting. It's a legit assessment he got totally sure of after seeing JJ vs Gane and Stipe. Seeing just how JJ could improve even more in those 3 years. He knows JJ is a talent that transcends logic. Like, I may be wrong and I don't care if I end up being wrong, but... I don't think anyone can beat JJ right now. And maybe he can fight 3 more fights after Tom and I don't think he'll lose. Gordon Ryan said he knows whatever fighter JJ fights against, it's fun because they all know he will win.
 
Anything? Even Jon's own words there where he admits a HW DC would have an advantage over him and is equally skilled?
Probably the reason Jon felt like he needed to roid to win?
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Probably just his lifestyle playing ping pong with his ego due to hard drugs and then he needed something to feel confident.
The mental aspect of taking performance enhancers are most often greater then the physical effectcs of them.
Vitor never hesitated while on them but became slow withouth them. (I just made this thing up in my mind so there is no proof for anything of it).
 
Btw, it's hilarious how this turns into a back and forth debate and a way to "shit on Jones" when he was playing hypothetical like many fighters are doing nowadays, when asked how they'd do vs such and such opponents. It's a trend of videos going around since Nina asking smash or pass to Chimaev vs certain fighters. Tom makes 10 videos a week about "x HW vs y HW" ... "Tom vs Prime Cain"... And then when JJ is asked, when he didn't know the questions, how he'd do now, vs DC when DC was an active HW, JJ gives his opinion... And now it is a whole debate about cheating, about bitter DC saying JJ should focus on Tom (even tho DC knows they both know when the fight is happening, Tom said they know it and will be waiting as the UFC wants to announce it in a better timing — again, platforms change).... Lol those ppl are funny.
 
DC living rent free in Jones head even after retirement. Jones might have beaten DC, but he cheated and knows it. That's gonna follow him for the rest of his life.
It’s absolutely adorable that you think Jon Jones has any shame about cheating to win.

He won - and for someone like him, that is the only important thing.

I think unfortunately, Jon lives more in DC’s head than the other way around.
 
Jones haters in full blown desperation. At the end of the day, Jon Jones is HW champion. Did it with relative ease. Did he pop then…did Jones pop using at HW or is he finally masking properly like everyone else?
 
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MMA seems like a fucking joke. I mean, UFC. I don't even know what's real or not anymore. Like the Belal vs Jack fight... That fight was weird. Like, watching Mighty Mouse breaking it down, it seemed like two legends clashing, and his analysis was weird... As if he were coming up with game aspects that are not specific to each fighter.

Same with that Jean Silva vs Bryce Mitchell shit, which seemed to me like a high profile fight that got AI'd by swapping the actual fighters into less known ones. Not just that, but the news are all over the place. There's not a single news that makes sense, it seems UFC became literally a reality show... A meta verse in which the real names are hidden. Wtf...

Like wtf is this kind of news from a previous serious MMA news source?

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Like, wtf are those news... Craig Jones helping Aspinall to train, saying "let's kick that flamboyant ass!!" ... wtf ....they are not even taking themselves serious anymore...
 
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Poor Jon, had such a talented HW division to fight in for so long, but that darned bulk just took 4 years to put on, so he was forced to fight white belt Gane and then duck Tom. Poor Jon!
Heavyweight is a compliment to his career, not a necessity. Champions aren’t required to move up. Francis Ngannou and Tom Aspinall so far would be the least accomplished fighters on his championship resume, were those fights to occur. Don’t let the Gen Z fans who started watching for Conor McGregor convince you otherwise.

It’s also ironic because for years people considered heavyweight to be the division for people too lazy to cut to light heavyweight. And people said the talent at LHW was higher. But of course that switched up really quick.

Jon Jones is the only guy who’s ducking by not moving up. But if you make that argument for GSP facing Anderson, people will lose their minds— saying Anderson was picking on little George’s (meanwhile none of those tough heavyweight guys were remotely willing to come down to face Jon like Anderson was with GSP).

It reminds me of how people said Floyd Mayweather was ducking Gennady Golovkin by not moving up to 160lbs, complete nonsense.
 
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