Dananomics: "Badou Jack is fighting for $75k" Badou: "That won't even cover my training camp!"

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Siver! said:
He could easily have paid Pereira that, and he's certainly never been anything like a world champ in MMA - his competition has been abysmal prior to Michailidis, which had some doubting that he'd win (big step up in relative terms). But that's really fudging your own argument, because as we all know he's a multiple division world champion, like you say!
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Just another Dana bending the truth moment if it is him.
 
Croton said:
What's my argument? I said Pereira was the only possibility
He's multiple time kickboxing world champ, so just another Dana bending the truth moment if it is him.
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Yes, I was agreeing with you :)
 
Pretty sure he meant Chandler, even though he obviously isn't a prelim fighter. Dana is a lying douche, nothing to see there.
 
Had no idea that these fighters spent so much for training camps. This guys says over $75k, Miesha says over 100k, Nganeau claims he had to take out a loan after having win over a million in his last fight. Why do fight camps cost this much? What are they doing differently than normal training? I guess maybe bringing in a specialist to coach specific skills or different training partners? Even so, what are the doing flying them on private jets, putting them in 5 star hotels. I could see it costing 4-5 thousand to fly people in and pay for hotels and food, but not the type of money they are claiming.
 
Kertol said:
How does a training camp for a couple months cost that much? If he’s not lying someone is ripping someone else off clearly which wouldn’t be that surprising with how stupid a lot of pro athletes are
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The fighter's usually have to pay a 5-10% fee to their trainers. So a 7.5M purse would be a 750K camp.

This was the same reason why people didn't understand how Conor spent 300K on the Diaz II camp. Simple answer was he had a 3M purse, and then just bragged about the amount he was spending because he's a showman like that and it created hype that he was sparing no expense to get this loss back. Reality was he just owed that regardless of what he did lol.

I'm sure Conor nowadays, and other bigger fighters, no longer have to pay that as it's highway robbery for 2 months coaching so any good agent would renegotiate that (and they're another fee who takes percentages), but yeah just take fighters purses and take off 10% and that's usually what they owe for their training. They also might throw in anything else they additionally want which goes on top of that too.
 
cws80us said:
Had no idea that these fighters spent so much for training camps. This guys says over $75k, Miesha says over 100k, Nganeau claims he had to take out a loan after having win over a million in his last fight. Why do fight camps cost this much? What are they doing differently than normal training? I guess maybe bringing in a specialist to coach specific skills or different training partners? Even so, what are the doing flying them on private jets, putting them in 5 star hotels. I could see it costing 4-5 thousand to fly people in and pay for hotels and food, but not the type of money they are claiming.
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How much do you pay for rent and food for 3 months. Just those two things. Nothing else. Everything is expensive. I would imagine all of the things that come with being a top fighter is absurdly expensive.
 
cws80us said:
Had no idea that these fighters spent so much for training camps. This guys says over $75k, Miesha says over 100k, Nganeau claims he had to take out a loan after having win over a million in his last fight. Why do fight camps cost this much? What are they doing differently than normal training? I guess maybe bringing in a specialist to coach specific skills or different training partners? Even so, what are the doing flying them on private jets, putting them in 5 star hotels. I could see it costing 4-5 thousand to fly people in and pay for hotels and food, but not the type of money they are claiming.
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If you consider that some camps take a percentage of the fight purse rather than a flat fee, then it's a reasonable amount.
 
markg171 said:
The fighter's usually have to pay a 5-10% fee to their trainers. So a 7.5M purse would be a 750K camp.

This was the same reason why people didn't understand how Conor spent 300K on the Diaz II camp. Simple answer was he had a 3M purse, and then just bragged about the amount he was spending because he's a showman like that and it created hype that he was sparing no expense to get this loss back. Reality was he just owed that regardless of what he did lol.

I'm sure Conor nowadays, and other bigger fighters, no longer have to pay that as it's highway robbery for 2 months coaching so any good agent would renegotiate that (and they're another fee who takes percentages), but yeah just take fighters purses and take off 10% and that's usually what they owe for their training. They also might throw in anything else they additionally want which goes on top of that too.
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Yep, there are three potential percentages a fighter MIGHT have to pay out, depending on the deals they signed - let's say all are 10 %, which is realistic.

10 % to a major gym they are training at
10 % to a manager
10 % to a promoter, which could be a fight promotion that signs the fighter to a promotional deal - I've personally seen these contracts in European MMA - this is most likely when the promotion actively works to get their top fighters into the major promotions, ie, UFC, Bellator, and ONE Championship

That's potentially 30 % gone before you've started.
 
Siver! said:
Yep, there are three potential percentages a fighter MIGHT have to pay out, depending on the deals they signed - let's say all are 10 %, which is realistic.

10 % to a major gym they are training at
10 % to a manager
10 % to a promoter, which could be a fight promotion that signs the fighter to a promotional deal - I've personally seen these contracts in European MMA - this is most likely when the promotion actively works to get their top fighters into the major promotions, ie, UFC, Bellator, and ONE Championship

That's potentially 30 % gone before you've started.
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Nearly 50% is taxed as well.
 
U Fight Cheap

The ufc underpays the shit out of fighters because they can. And that won't change until fighters stop being shortsighted and embrace collective bargaining. That's the only reason athletes in other sports aren't being underpaid.
 
chiefwiggum said:
How much do you pay for rent and food for 3 months. Just those two things. Nothing else. Everything is expensive. I would imagine all of the things that come with being a top fighter is absurdly expensive.
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I would not expect that they are bringing in guys for the whole camp, probably just for a few weeks at a time. I don't know, it just seems crazy to me that these guys are spending that much on a camp. They are already part of a team that they train with year round, so why do they have to spend another 100k on a fight camp?
 
Siver! said:


Dana White clearly has his own Dananomics, where numbers don't matter, dollars aren't real, the sky is purple, and the UFC pays fighters really well.

However, here he starts telling people how much Badou Jack is earning, and Badou Jack just laughs at Dana: That won't even cover my training camp - which is actually pretty believable, given UFC fighters say the same thing most weeks!

Dana... start paying your fighters more, bud.
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Good to see someone correcting Dana on his lies
 
cws80us said:
I would not expect that they are bringing in guys for the whole camp, probably just for a few weeks at a time. I don't know, it just seems crazy to me that these guys are spending that much on a camp. They are already part of a team that they train with year round, so why do they have to spend another 100k on a fight camp?
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Year round training isn't the same as a fight camp either in terms of hours, intensity, or focus.

Your fight camp takes far more input from your coaches, you strategize, you have a deadline, you bring people in specifically to train for certain aspects of the upcoming fight.

Going into the gym and training and sparring with whoever else isn't in a camp is not the same thing.

Then there's the fact that not every fighter is training solidly, and not every fighter is training in case there's a last minute call up. They'll pay gym fees, but it ain't the same. Fighters will always be looking for fight dates, no matter how far out, so that they are able to focus more intensely.
 
I kid you not, I had a dream last night that Dana was in a boxing match. He drove in on a 18-wheeler with free shit on the trailer to give out to all the fighters on the card with him. Weird fucking dream, especially considering Dana never gives anyone handouts.
 
RiotWyatt said:
If you consider that some camps take a percentage of the fight purse rather than a flat fee, then it's a reasonable amount.
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Ok, this makes more sense if they are including these types of expenses in what they are paying for a fight camp. I was only envisioning the actual training (physical part) of it. Thanks for the explanation.
 
Mentallooser said:
Sparring partners brought in, given lodging. Crazy amounts of professionally managed and monitored food. Coaching. Equipment. Travel for the team. Chemical supplements and the like. I dunno.
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Yep.
Training camps can be as expensive or cheap as you want.
If youre flying in training partners and paying for all their needs , that can be a big.chunk of change right there.
Your team, facilities, a nutritionist/live in chef, random body work and therapy, etc, over 3 months, that can easily add up to over 75K.
 
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