Media Dana White: "We're working it out" regarding Wonderboy pay issue

Do you think Wonderboy will get paid?


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The problem with this is that Wonderboy spent an entire training camp preparing for one guy. One specific guy. Watching video, sparring, etc. And at the very last second, when no further training can be done, the guy misses weight and the UFC tries to force him to fight someone else.

Wonderboy didn't miss weight. He didn't get injured. He did his job. He did it on time.

And now he's not getting paid - even though he has to pay coaches, training partners, etc.

But somehow you think that's the right thing and he shouldn't get paid?

Right. Okay.

But they offered him a fight two weeks out which is a 30% of a fight camp.

WB has expressed a strong desire to still be a contender for the title. You need to be prepared to fight everyone if you think you are champ material. It just seems to be wrong to get 250K when refusing all options. There have been plenty of other fighters which still fought a guy who came in over.

Either you are a fighter or you are not.
 
Amen
Can't trust a man with pink skin
By the way, in 5 days, it will be exactly 5,000 days since Jones had his only official "loss" against Matt Hammill.
5 December 2009. Crazy to see him being unbeaten for such a long period, going up against all the killers and legends he has fought.
I don't know what is more amazing, his fight career, or his personality
 
Wonderboy basically lost a ton of money. Good food, nutritionist, camp, bringing training partners. All out of his pocket and 0 money coming in. But hey, it’s all for the opportunity right…. lol. The nelk bois will get a nice bday gift.

He won't lose that money. They'll reimburse him.

Dana said,
“So what we do is why try to get you another fight. We try to turn you around quickly. If you don’t turn around quickly, then we try to figure out what it cost for your camp. We’ll reimburse you. There’s a lot of different ways that this gets worked out. "
 
Maybe it's something that fighters managers should start to fight for in their contract. If my opponent doesn't make it to the fight, misses weight, whatever, the fighter will get at least the show money, or 50%, or some flat fee.

Can't have them in situations like these, where it depends on the mood of their bosses.
I hear ya, but do you actually think the fighters get to have any input on this??

Many fighters have gone on record saying that with the UFC, it's a "take it or leave it" kinda situation.

This Wonderboy situation is a great example. Take 20% of your opponent's purse and fight despite your opponent missing weight - sigh a new catch weight contract for the fight, otherwise you don't get paid.
 
Well he did not fight so he should not get paid. The rules are clear. We would NEVER see another fight if someone is overweight and his opponent would get full purse without doing shit.


So maybe ..just maybe


Now bear with me here ...its a crazy idea.


Perhaps...if its not too much trouble...






PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS SHOULD JUST MAKE FUCKING WEIGHT THEN!!!!


Jesus Christ...why would a fighter have to fight someone who can't even make weight just to get paid? After they themselves made weight? .

Your not stealing money for meeting your contractual agreements...

Now weight missers can miss even more cuz they know their opponent wont get paid unless they fight... This is all around a bad take and to think for a second Thompson is trying to take money for nothing is just nuts
 
some of you guys are delusional. I'm all for WB being made whole, but it sounds like the UFC was willing to do that. Pay for fees/expenses, pay for cost of camp, and get him a fight within a couple of weeks. Basically you're saying it's not WB's fault his opponent didn't make weight, so the UFC should just pay WB for existing. That is heavily leveraged against the UFC and nonsensical.

You wouldn't pay a team of construction workers for the whole day they showed up to your house to pave your driveway if the concrete truck didn't show up. You'd pay them for their lost time (camp, fees, etc.) and reschedule. Sounds like the UFC is doing the right thing.

So maybe ..just maybe


Now bear with me here ...its a crazy idea.


Perhaps...if its not too much trouble...






PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS SHOULD JUST MAKE FUCKING WEIGHT THEN!!!!


Jesus Christ...why would a fighter have to fight someone who can't even make weight just to get paid? After they themselves made weight? .

Your not stealing money for meeting your contractual agreements...

Now weight missers can miss even more cuz they know their opponent wont get paid unless they fight... This is all around a bad take and to think for a second Thompson is trying to take money for nothing is just nuts

That's silly. WB could fight his opponent for a % of his purse, fight someone else, or take a fight coming up for a quick turnaround. The ball is in WB's court at that point and doesn't motivate people to miss weight -- they don't get paid either. You keep saying "meeting your contractual agreements," completely overlooking the fact that one of the contractual agreements is fighting, and not knowing the rest of the ins and outs of the contract.

Wonderboy, ethically, should be made whole by being between a rock and a hard place by no fault of his own and no fault of the UFC's -- but the UFC is better leveraged to treat WB with respect and come out looking good in this situation. By Dana's explanation, if true, they did all the right things.
 
why would anyone ever support a billion dollar+ corporation over an individual unless you held significant stock in that company? Is this place being spammed by shareholders or something? You all are much closer to Stephen Thompson than Dana White. This is a business negotiation. UFC is like the only sports organization where "fans" seem to care more about the business than the actual sport. And if you favor a public traded corporation over a worker, you are either an investor or a moron.
 
I mean I think the focus on Wonderboy being paid or not is irrelevant, people should be pissed the contracts don't give show money if you decline an overweight opponent. I feel like UFC would be happy to pay Wonderboy to make this go away as long as they don't have to change contracts. Today guys are cutting too much weight and there needs to be more restrictions, same with fouls, no more freebies.
 
I hear ya, but do you actually think the fighters get to have any input on this??

Many fighters have gone on record saying that with the UFC, it's a "take it or leave it" kinda situation.

This Wonderboy situation is a great example. Take 20% of your opponent's purse and fight despite your opponent missing weight - sigh a new catch weight contract for the fight, otherwise you don't get paid.

Yeah, this situation happened so many times before that I doubt no manager ever tried to negotiate it. Probably the UFC is just "fuck you" and they get what they can take.
 
Whilst I do despise the bald headed goof, there are indeed many layers to this.

As somebody else above said - perhaps this is a manager issue. Covering all basis in your contract.

Didn't Dana also say calculating camp costs and reimbursing (or to that effect?).

The UFC may indeed be a shitshow of greed but unless somebody is on a salary, then no.
 
So maybe ..just maybe


Now bear with me here ...its a crazy idea.


Perhaps...if its not too much trouble...






PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS SHOULD JUST MAKE FUCKING WEIGHT THEN!!!!


Jesus Christ...why would a fighter have to fight someone who can't even make weight just to get paid? After they themselves made weight? .

Your not stealing money for meeting your contractual agreements...

Now weight missers can miss even more cuz they know their opponent wont get paid unless they fight... This is all around a bad take and to think for a second Thompson is trying to take money for nothing is just nuts

It's a sham league. Rankings mean shit, rules mean shit. Only thing that matters is if you put asses in seats. Never would happen in any of the legitimate leagues. Do I think WB deserves his entire purse for not fighting? I don't care. I want him to get paid. I want his opponent to be cut so he can go fight in a barn league where they don't care if you act professional
 
It’s amazing that at this point in their corporate history, the UFC still doesn’t have a standardized system in place for paying fighters when an opponent misses weight

It sounds like they actually do.

Options:
- % of missed weight fighters purse
- Back up opponent/alternative fight
- Quick turnaround fight

Compensation:
- % of missed weight fighters purse
- Fees/costs of camp, travel, etc.

I don't know how precise you want it but from what Dana described it sounds like their process is pretty standardized and favors the decision making of the fighter put in the bad position.

I don’t understand this “we’re working on it”

do it or don’t. Agree to a deal and move on. Half pay? Full pay? These questions can answered in a meeting in minutes.

The fight was already supposed to happen over two weeks ago, Danar probably thinks it will blow over

They're working on him fighting a short notice fight so he can get paid by fulfilling his contractual stipulation of actually fighting and have his costs of camp/etc. paid for by the UFC.
 
some of you guys are delusional. I'm all for WB being made whole, but it sounds like the UFC was willing to do that. Pay for fees/expenses, pay for cost of camp, and get him a fight within a couple of weeks. Basically you're saying it's not WB's fault his opponent didn't make weight, so the UFC should just pay WB for existing. That is heavily leveraged against the UFC and nonsensical.

You wouldn't pay a team of construction workers for the whole day they showed up to your house to pave your driveway if the concrete truck didn't show up. You'd pay them for their lost time (camp, fees, etc.) and reschedule. Sounds like the UFC is doing the right thing.



That's silly. WB could fight his opponent for a % of his purse, fight someone else, or take a fight coming up for a quick turnaround. The ball is in WB's court at that point and doesn't motivate people to miss weight -- they don't get paid either. You keep saying "meeting your contractual agreements," completely overlooking the fact that one of the contractual agreements is fighting, and not knowing the rest of the ins and outs of the contract.

Wonderboy, ethically, should be made whole by being between a rock and a hard place by no fault of his own and no fault of the UFC's -- but the UFC is better leveraged to treat WB with respect and come out looking good in this situation. By Dana's explanation, if true, they did all the right things.

Nope...ud literally would pay the construction team for that day...

I work in renovations and construction and this type of shit happens all the time ...

Boots on the ground...equals cheques being written ...

The truck fucks off...tough luck my guys showed up to work and spent the day .. pay me...

It would be up to the homeowner ( UFC) to then go to the truck driver company ( Michel) and get damages pay back for fucking everything up ...

You dont fuck your construction contractor out of pay lol....thats the quickest way to get your project delayed or stopped all together .. especially when another company is responsible for the delay. .
 
Maybe if Thompson hadn't whined and cried about only fighting mediocre strikers he'd have been paid for showing up and hurting the main card of a PPV event.
Thank you for that expected, not previously heard on this thread asshole take on the issue.

He showed up, ready to fight. What hurt the main card was his opponent not making weight, as he had agreed to.
 
So Dana basically said he'd do it for someone who doesn't make anything, but for stars he isn't willing to spend the money

The same guy who gave a bunch of goof youtubers $250K as a gift.
 
Maybe Wonderboy has one of those fixed purses contracts with no show/win, so instead of like 200+200 to win he opted for something like 250 no matter what. Probably why he was less inclined to keep the fight on when his opponent didn't make weight, and why Dana is annoyed.
 
Nope...ud literally would pay the construction team for that day...

I work in renovations and construction and this type of shit happens all the time ...

Boots on the ground...equals cheques being written ...

The truck fucks off...tough luck my guys showed up to work and spent the day .. pay me...

It would be up to the homeowner ( UFC) to then go to the truck driver company ( Michel) and get damages pay back for fucking everything up ...

You dont fuck your construction contractor out of pay lol....thats the quickest way to get your project delayed or stopped all together .. especially when another company is responsible for the delay. .
I'd pay my contractor for the job. Regardless of how much or little work the workers do. That's between them and their boss, the contractor I had my agreement with. But, generally, if the workers show up at the worksite, as their boss told them, and wind up sitting around because the boss f--ked up and didn't get the truck there on time, they would get paid.
 
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