Dana White "Palhares won't be back"

Dana sticks to his word. Through thick and thin. It's practically the gospel. I definitely believe him. Palhares will never be back, even if he tears through the 170/185 lb divisions elsewhere. It won't ever happen!
 
I learned not to believe what Dana says.
 
Flexwave2003 said:
Zuffa is all about the bottom line. Doing the right thing is not on their agenda. Only making as much money as possible with as little investment as possible.
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I more or less agree with this, however in this case, I think the interests of capitalism and doing the right thing have, in a rare occurrence, overlapped. Because aside from the financial liabilities involved which interest the businessmen, letting go when your competitor taps is also a matter of honor. Which should be in the interest of any person. Palhares has broken this rule too many times. Bustamante is an old-schooler, and even he's come out to say that Palhares hurt his guys in training and it eventually led to his leaving the school. Doesn't look good.

I normally hate to say a person should lose their job, but in this case it's to protect fighters who have a right to the expectation that a heelhook stops once they tap & the ref intervenes. Guy had to go.
 
Flexwave2003 said:
The UFC just wants to clean the roster off of fighters making more money then the UFC wants to actually pay. Thats why Okami went and its why Palhares went too. Its not about how long he held the submission, but rather finding an excuse to justify their decision.

Zuffa is all about the bottom line. Doing the right thing is not on their agenda. Only making as much money as possible with as little investment as possible.

Out with guys who make money. In with guys who are desperate enough to sign on the dotted line for pennies on the dollar.

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Like Dana paying Hallman his entire purse because he felt bad even though Hallman missed weight and couldnt fight on the card? How about when Te Huna donated his entire purse to earthquake victims, and the UFC matched his donation? Or when the UFC helped pay the stacking medical bills of Dan Miller's son? Does that sound like only doing the bottom line, investing as little as possible and not doing the right thing?
 
Can't say I'll miss him. Maybe he can make it well in some other org.
 
Peteyandjia said:
I more or less agree with this, however in this case, I think the interests of capitalism and doing the right thing have, in a rare occurrence, overlapped. Because aside from the financial liabilities involved which interest the businessmen, letting go when your competitor taps is also a matter of honor. Which should be in the interest of any person. Palhares has broken this rule too many times. Bustamante is an old-schooler, and even he's come out to say that Palhares hurt his guys in training and it eventually led to his leaving the school. Doesn't look good.

I normally hate to say a person should lose their job, but in this case it's to protect fighters who have a right to the expectation that a heelhook stops once they tap & the ref intervenes. Guy had to go.
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Hi Petey,
I do not subscribe to the notion Palhares held the submission too long/cranked it unnecessarily as I think shonuf made a fair thread on the subject below.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/palhares-never-cranked-imo-ref-pushing-him-backward-2578557/

The submission did not strike me as out of the ordinary at all. Are these holds dangerous? You would know better than me, but my answer is of course they are. That is exactly what they're designed to do. To hurt someone else. If your arm pop, crackles and snaps out there....well, thats what is suppose to happen.

I think its all been blown out of proportion personally. I think Palhares has received a real rawl deal in all of this. He is a submission specialist. This is what he does. And he does it very well.

I will leave this here for all to consider.

Brazilian jiu-jitsu master Renzo Gracie also defended his countryman via Twitter on Monday.

“I just watch the fight and I have to reinforce it... He had no ill intent. His opponent went on the wrong direction,” Gracie wrote. “So, if there’s injury involved, it has more to do with the way his opponent try to get out than his intentions... We are in a fight business. If we will begin a witch hunt, the intensity of our sport will be gone. We are supposed to get hurt.”
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Last week, Brazilian Top Team coach and co-founder Murilo Bustamante told Fighters Only that Palhares had injured teammates in similar situations during training in the past. Former BTT coach Mario Sperry this week denied the statement.



“I don’t remember him hurting teammates in an intentional manner,” Sperry told Sherdog.com. “He hurt others and got hurt just like any other athlete. To tell you the truth, I remember seeing him hurt more than hurting others. I think he should have paid more attention to the reaction of his opponent and the referee. He also had several problems with athletes who tapped and continued after he released the submission hold without the referee interrupting. In my view, this can hamper your judgment on when to release the submission even more in the middle of a fight.”
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http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Ma...-Released-UFC-Fighter-Toquinho-Palhares-57817
 
I'm currently re-watching Sanchez vs Guida, man I feel like we don't really see 'that" Diego lately. Hope he shows up on Saturday.
 
Whatever....was a bs cut anyways
 
AppliedScience said:
That summarizes the entire business plan.
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Like Dana paying Hallman his entire purse because he felt bad even though Hallman missed weight and couldnt fight on the card? How about when Te Huna donated his entire purse to earthquake victims, and the UFC matched his donation? Or when the UFC helped pay the stacking medical bills of Dan Miller's son? Does that sound like only doing the bottom line, investing as little as possible and not doing the right thing?

They've made some bad decisions, but its clear by now they will help fighters in certain situations and should be given some credit. Theyre not doing this to Palhares because they pay him too much
 
No biggie here, smaller promtion = less time training = more time to pet puppies dead
 
styopa said:
They paid him $14,000 ($7,000 to show, $7,000 win bonus) in his last fight. I don't think is that much.

Source:
http://www.mma-manifesto.com/ufc-fighter-salary-database/salary-main/ufc-fight-night-maia-vs-shields-fighter-salaries-attendance-gate.html
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Thanks for the link, fair post. I have to say I have my doubts about the veracity of those numbers for a number of reasons. Take a look at how many entry level guys are making $6000 and they're paying a guy like Palhares $7,000? A veteran of the octagon for 6 years, with a dozen fights in the cage? Doesnt add up to me.

And lets not forget the submission of the night bonus which he was shorted out of, over what exactly? An alleged unsportsmanlike submission? I think the facts put that argument to rest rather quickly. And with the incredibly high tax rate imposed on Brazilian fighters in Brazil, I would wager we're talking about a disclosed pay rate versus what was agreed to under the table.

Some links to consider:
http://www.fightline.com/rafael-natal-done-fighting-brazil-due-high-taxes/
 
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