Dana White Not In Favor of Open Scoring: “It would make for boring third rounds”

[Deleted member 110072]

Up 2 rounds = boring 3rd round
Tied 1-1=exciting 3rd round

A lot of times someone up 2-0 already coasts. I think the only thing it would cost is some of the excitement of Bruce Buffer's announcements.

Another big problem is that it is impossible to get the different states to agree to any rule changes, and there are other rules that need to be tweaked before this. Plus, all the states have yet to agree on the new rules from like 5 years ago LOL

To be fair though this is a rule change that wouldnt need to be universal, having open scoring at some events but not others for awhile wouldnt be a massive issue, not the same as the actual rules of fighting or judging criteria differing from one event to another.

Again I think the reality is fighters and their corners tend to over estimate how well they are doing MUCH more often than they underestimate, I mean how often have we heard corners tell guys their doing well in rounds they've probably lost? happens all the time.

Really I think thats what coasting performances actually often depend on, one fighter might be two rounds up but his opponent isnt sure thats the case, maybe hopes he got one of those rounds and then hopes he can edge the last ground if its cagey. When someone is really going after you its actually quite hard to coast and if fighters knew they were two rounds in the hole I think you'd see that happen alot more.

 

[eighterumg5]

The judges are the problem. Well some anyway

 

[empsim]

That's only because you almost have to kill a guy to get a 10-8.

If someone is up 20-18 going into the third round he shouldn't be able to coast.

 

[frandogg]

I think the opposite, it adds urgency for the guy losing to try to finish the fight. Like in sports, they know time is running out, and what is needed, everyone is aware of what is needed to win. A finish or a 10-8 round etc.

Hmmmm I tend to think it's easier to avoid the fight then to pressure it. Of course there are outliers like Khabib Justin G. and the Diaz Bros (although Sherdoggers will point out Diaz vs Condit) who can pressure a fight. But for the most part, I think it's generally easier to avoid and stall than to go for the finish

 

[MechMA]

I vehemently oppose open scoring. It can lead to stalling out and from an entertainment perspective, I like the feeling of surprise on close fights.

What really needs to change is the constant 10-9s... if you obliterate someone in a round and then lose two close rounds, you should win. 10-8s and even 10-7s should exist.

 

[Eszopiclone]

He's right you know, and all the fighters are shilling for open scoring because they're lazy, that's about it

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

open scoring + yellow cards

 

[Bearknuckle]

I vehemently oppose open scoring. It can lead to stalling out and from an entertainment perspective, I like the feeling of surprise on close fights.

What really needs to change is the constant 10-9s... if you obliterate someone in a round and then lose two close rounds, you should win. 10-8s and even 10-7s should exist.

But if 10-7s exist...wouldnt that lead to a guy think he’s up 10-7 and to stall out next 2 rounds?
At least with open scoring, theres no controversy, everyone is aware of what the score is and what is needed. Having some surprise at the end is kind of stupid, THAT imo looks like entertainment.

 

[Hleef23]

Judges that care about the sport is needed more than open scoring.

 

[BigGucci]

LMAO I love how this dumbass wants people to stand and bang at all costs

 

[mma_genius]

Dana is right. It would lead to a lot of Kalib Starnes' third rounds.

Idiot. Kalib Starnes wasn't leading after the first two rounds. He was already down 20-15 or so from running the first two rounds.
In your idiocy, you make the point of your opposition - stalling can lead to 10-8 or 10-7 rounds, just like the judges scored Starne's fight with Quarry. One judge had it 30-24 Quarry and a second had it 30-26 Quarry despite Quarry not punching him one time the entire fight.

 

[Le Mercenaire]

This is the way to go. And lol at the drama queen talking about losing the suspense of the decision at the end. If you’re decent at analyzing what you see you’ll know who wins before the announcement.

 

[ezekielthree]

Idiot. Kalib Starnes wasn't leading after the first two rounds. He was already down 20-15 or so from running the first two rounds.
In your idiocy, you make the point of your opposition - stalling can lead to 10-8 or 10-7 rounds, just like the judges scored Starne's fight with Quarry. One judge had it 30-24 Quarry and a second had it 30-26 Quarry despite Quarry not punching him one time the entire fight.

In your idiocy, you read too much into my post. The post is about "running" from your opponent, nothing more, nothing less. I saw the fight, fucktard.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

It’s hard to finish an opponent that won’t engage. Dana is right

 

[Sad Dad]

If there’s open scoring they need to also implement a harsher punishment for inactivity and stalling. I’m all for it though tbh

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Disagree. Guys are still going to try to win. It's like a win bonus. Just because you offer guys 50k for KOs and submissions, it doesn't make them go for it. It's just a bonus if you happen to get one.

Also, it's the judges job to dock points and discipline a fighter for timidity if that were to happen. Dana being Dana.

 

[Pierced7681]

I vehemently oppose open scoring. It can lead to stalling out and from an entertainment perspective, I like the feeling of surprise on close fights.

What really needs to change is the constant 10-9s... if you obliterate someone in a round and then lose two close rounds, you should win. 10-8s and even 10-7s should exist.

Easy way to do it is to add a 9.5 for close rounds

10-9.5 equals close round barely edged
10-9 equals dominant round
10-8 equals one sided ass whooping
10-7 almost murder but they make it to the bell somehow

 

[mma_genius]

In your idiocy, you read too much into my post. The post is about "running" from your opponent, nothing more, nothing less. I saw the fight, fucktard.

Still too stupid to see you argue against your own point.

 

[Hotora86]

Recently the mma community has become more vocal about the idea of open scoring, especially after the recent draw between Moreno and Fig.

“If a guy knows that he’s up two rounds and you’re a professional fighter, you can absolutely stay away from a guy for an entire round and make the fight completely horrible,” White said (transcription via MMA Junkie). “If you already know you’ve got two rounds in the bag, guarantee if you saw your score up there, all (you) have to do is stay away from this guy for the next five minutes. That makes for a lot of bad third rounds.”

“When we do the fights, I have an idea of who I think won or lost or whatever, but when I’m standing there with the belt, I don’t know what Bruce Buffer is going to say,” White said. “He doesn’t tell me anything. The judges tell him, the commission do their thing, they tell him, and I’m standing there waiting to hear too, so I’m just as blown away as the fans are. And I agree with you: It completely takes away the anticipation of who won the fight.”

Feel free to take a look at MMA Junkies full article: here

What do you guys think? Would open scoring light a fire under guys more often then it creates a boring third round?

It's an interesting idea but as with all complex things we don't know the outcome until we actually try.

It MAY be like Dana says - the winning fighter avoiding a fight in the 3rd.

It MAY also result in the losing guy going BERSERK to try to win by KO - making a super exciting 3rd round.

Most probably both things will happen from time to time. Still, I'd be in favor of trying it out and reverting if it breaks the game.

Oh, and we still need more 10-10s. Way more.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I vehemently oppose open scoring. It can lead to stalling out and from an entertainment perspective, I like the feeling of surprise on close fights.

What really needs to change is the constant 10-9s... if you obliterate someone in a round and then lose two close rounds, you should win. 10-8s and even 10-7s should exist.

People keep saying this but can they come up with examples? as said before I think the current situations is worse for this, how often do we see a fighter who is likely 2-0 down in rounds still come tamely in the 3rd? happens on pretty much every card because fighters tend to over estimate their sucess.

The main advantage of open scoring is actually it allows fighters to take results out of the judges hards more, to reduce the impact of bad/biased judging.