Media Dana White disagrees with main event's stoppage: "That fight doesn't get stopped in Vegas"

nostradumbass said:
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If I had not seen this live, I would not believe it is a real photo.
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
How many times has that happened in MMA and how many cuts have been worse than Colby's? Are you arguing that Colby's cut is the worst you've seen in the UFC?
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...are you on crack?

Where in that post did you see any of that? is reading that hard?
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
...are you on crack?

Where in that post did you see any of that? is reading that hard?
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I'm not on crack. You said....

"You can permanently lose vision from bad cuts. Severed nerves and almost that."

It seemed you were arguing that it was a good stoppage. Did you think Colby was in danger of permanently losing vision from that cut or severing a nerve?

If I'm missing something, please fill me in.
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
How many times has that happened in MMA and how many cuts have been worse than Colby's? Are you arguing that Colby's cut is the worst you've seen in the UFC?
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Yes and people who argue a lot worse are way off. There have been bigger cuts, sure, but not in worse places.

Eric Silva 2.0 said:
If I'm missing something, please fill me in.
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Avove-eye cuts are usually along the brow, or at worst, just under it. Look at the distance between the eyebrow and the cut. That's on his eyelid. There is no way to avoid blood in the eye with that, every blink is stretching that thing and the bleeding wouldn't stop any time soon, and god forbid he gets a hematoma on his eye and that swells, cuz that eyelid would tear something awful. You can put any animal-sized vagina on someone's forehead and they'll come out with a scar. That eye opens up any more, that can do some serious permanent damage. Aldana was lucky it ran down her eyebrow into her nose and not her eyelid, and even that fight could have done with a stoppage
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
I'm not on crack. You said....

"You can permanently lose vision from bad cuts. Severed nerves and almost that."

It seemed you were arguing that it was a good stoppage. Did you think Colby was in danger of permanently losing vision from that cut or severing a nerve?

If I'm missing something, please fill me in.
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You said "How was he going to lose the eye? It's a cut"I responded by telling you that cuts on or close to the eye can cause loss of vision. It was a general statement.

This stoppage was fine imo. Cut was on his eyelid and that's a high risk place. There's been worse but thats irrelevant to the validity of this stoppage. Doc's job is to mitigate long term damage and with eyes, it's a thin margin or error. Im not a doctor, neither is Dana, or you. None of us can make an educated call on the cut. Ultimately, doc thought there was too much risk, warned Colby before rd 3 started, and decided to call it.
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
How many times has that happened in MMA and how many cuts have been worse than Colby's? Are you arguing that Colby's cut is the worst you've seen in the UFC?
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Why would it have to be "the worst"? It's not like he's the first fighter ever to be stopped by the ringside doctor.

There's a long history of fights being stopped for cuts not as bad and in not as bad a location as Colby's. This was a very easy call.
 
True, Vegas would let it go on.

Was a rough cut, many fights would've been great one if a cut didn't stop the action.

Would've been a 3-2 fight for Colby win on points.
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
You said "How was he going to lose the eye? It's a cut"I responded by telling you that cuts on or close to the eye can cause loss of vision. It was a general statement.

This stoppage was fine imo. Cut was on his eyelid and that's a high risk place. There's been worse but thats irrelevant to the validity of this stoppage. Doc's job is to mitigate long term damage and with eyes, it's a thin margin or error. Im not a doctor, neither is Dana, or you. None of us can make an educated call on the cut. Ultimately, doc thought there was too much risk, warned Colby before rd 3 started, and decided to call it.
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I'm saying there isn't a lot of consistency when it comes to stopping fights because of cuts. I wanted the fight to continue. Admittedly, I'm not a doctor and I don't give medical advice. Colby still had some fight left in him.

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Two fights with similar cuts on the same fighter. One was stopped, one wasn't.

Maybe Colby could've came back and won the fight like this. Imagine if this one was stopped because of a cut. We wouldn't have this piece of MMA history.....

Edit: Nate's eye was a mess in this fight


 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
I'm saying there isn't a lot of consistency when it comes to stopping fights because of cuts. I wanted the fight to continue. Admittedly, I'm not a doctor and I don't give medical advice. Colby still had some fight left in him.

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Two fights with similar cuts on the same fighter. One was stopped, one wasn't.
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Those two cuts are similar to each other, so we can talk about inconsistency for Nate but neither are like the Colby cut.
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
I'm saying there isn't a lot of consistency when it comes to stopping fights because of cuts. I wanted the fight to continue. Admittedly, I'm not a doctor and I don't give medical advice. Colby still had some fight left in him.

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Two fights with similar cuts on the same fighter. One was stopped, one wasn't.

Maybe Colby could've came back and won the fight like this. Imagine if this one was stopped because of a cut. We wouldn't have this piece of MMA history.....

Edit: Nate's eye was a mess in this fight


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The nature of a doctor stoppage will always be inherently subjective. There is no way to avoid that. Personally, I see both sides of it as a competitor. Shit, I've competed injured many times. But the question becomes, as a doctor, can you risk sending out someone to potentially get irreversible damage? There's a lot of legal liability there. Sure, Dana is saying to let it ride now but would his tone have been. The same if Colby lost vision? Of course not. In the end I'd rather be a little disappointed and the fighter be safe

I think this doctor was reasonable. He was concerned at the start of Round 3 but still gave Colby the green light.
 
Why even have doctors there if they do not stitch things up between the rounds?
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
The nature of a doctor stoppage will always be inherently subjective. There is no way to avoid that. Personally, I see both sides of it as a competitor. Shit, I've competed injured many times. But the question becomes, as a doctor, can you risk sending out someone to potentially get irreversible damage? There's a lot of legal liability there. Sure, Dana is saying to let it ride now but would his tone have been. The same if Colby lost vision? Of course not. In the end I'd rather be a little disappointed and the fighter be safe

I think this doctor was reasonable. He was concerned at the start of Round 3 but still gave Colby the green light.
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"I think this doctor was reasonable."

I don't agree with the decision but I agree it's reasonable. I think Colby could've continued fighting.

"He was concerned."

I think it was a she unless you know something I don't.
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
"I think this doctor was reasonable."

I don't agree with the decision but I agree it's reasonable. I think Colby could've continued fighting.

"He was concerned."

I think it was a she unless you know something I don't.
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Nah, I just misremembered the gender. Long day at work.

Colby could absolutely physically continue to fight. It just would be risky for his eye. And Buckley was targeting that thing too.

I think I'd have more issues with the stoppage if Colby hadn't have been down 3 rounds. The chances of him pulling two 10-8 rounds out of his ass after taking a lot of damage, managing a cut, and failing most his tds up to that point was very slim. Getting a finish with his record/skill set was just as slim.

It's a shitty way for a fight to end for sure tho. I was pissed when Leevs Barbozs was stopped but I got over it
 
Eric Silva 2.0 said:
I'm saying there isn't a lot of consistency when it comes to stopping fights because of cuts. I wanted the fight to continue. Admittedly, I'm not a doctor and I don't give medical advice. Colby still had some fight left in him.

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Two fights with similar cuts on the same fighter. One was stopped, one wasn't.

Maybe Colby could've came back and won the fight like this. Imagine if this one was stopped because of a cut. We wouldn't have this piece of MMA history.....

Edit: Nate's eye was a mess in this fight


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Not even in the same area code as Covington's cut. He could clearly see just fine, without compromised vision, at all. His cut wasn't within the eye socket. You could see that most of the blood was flowing around the eye socket, not into it. There's nothing about that fight that shows inconsistency in the medical decisions.

You admit you have no idea what you're talking about on this, so why keep going on and demonstrating that you don't know?
 
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