Dana says Jones greater than Ali, Tyson.

joy2day said:
You said in a real fight, not MMA. There's no referee to save Jon when he goes headfirst into the concrete from a Karelin slam. Street fights are another breed.

If we are talking about individual sports that's another thing entirely because you have to hypothesize how others would do after cross training for the other sport. I see people like Ali, Tyson, and Karelin doing better cross trained into MMA than I see Jon Jones doing in boxing and wrestling.
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I accept your argument
 
bigger? lol

Hes taller than both, tho
 
joy2day said:
I don't see that anyone doesn't know this- people are making fun of him because he says stupid shit. No one thinks he isn't full of bullshit whether he knows he's bullshitting or not. Of course he's trying to promote the UFC.


It actually isn't any better if he is saying what you say he is saying- that Jones would have won at MMA- a sport that they never heard of or conceived of. That wouldn't have anything to do with Jones's standing as a combat sport athlete the fact he could win against someone who never trained for the sport. There may be someone who could have beat Jones in Thai Chi, but would make them a better combat athlete than Jones? That's like saying Tom Brady was always a greater football player than Michael Jordan. It's a retarded comparison, period. That's a different sport

If you were to make a hypothetical, it would have to start with other combat sport fighters training MMA for years.
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He was simply hyping up Jones with that statement. It sounds cool to casual fans to hear "this guy could beat up anyone that has ever lived". That's the extent of it really.
 
JBJ was here said:
If Dana's really trying to make the Aspinall vs. Jones fight, this is a good part of the effort, although the effort still needs to be primarily lots of cash.

If this isn't about trying to make the Jones vs. Aspinall fight then Dana needs to stop drinking.
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It's amazing how many people would rather just rage about this stuff than acknowledge that this is what's going on. Dana tried his traditional "He doesn't want the fight" thing when it came to Ngannou, and all it led to was Jon getting angry and any chance of that fight happening going up in smoke. Now he's trying a different tactic.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
He was simply hyping up Jones with that statement. It sounds cool to casual fans to hear "this guy could beat up anyone that has ever lived". That's the extent of it really.
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Yep, hyping it with over-the-top bullshit that only really ignorant people would fall for.
 
joy2day said:
You said in a real fight, not MMA. There's no referee to save Jon when he goes headfirst into the concrete from a Karelin slam. Street fights are another breed.

If we are talking about individual sports that's another thing entirely because you have to hypothesize how others would do after cross training for the other sport. I see people like Ali, Tyson, and Karelin doing better cross trained into MMA than I see Jon Jones doing in boxing and wrestling.
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This is an imaginary thread along with imaginary posts about what would happen in a imaginary street fight.

Karelin outweighs jones by a significant amount of weight. He is about 128kg/ 284 lbs of solid muscle. The problem here is he is not a actual fighter, he is a wrestler, and as Fedor stated it would not be a fair fight.

Just him being a great wrestler is not a given to beat a MMA fighter and one who is a champion in a street fight, and jones himself can also wrestle. Although wrestlers are said to have an advantage because they can grapple, getting hit is something wrestlers are not use too. Jones is a Muay Thai striker, boxes, and uses knees, kicks, and elbows, and they break bones and hurt very badly, especially when you have no experience getting hit by them. On top of that Jones has a background in Greco and trains in BJJ.

Karelin would be a fish out of water against anyone like that, on the ground, or standing. Jones is also not some pussy, he is a MMA champion, who is far superior to your average MMA fighter. He is also a nasty fighter who will poke eyes, kick knees, and has never wilted in a beating. Lets just say that Karelin supposedly gets jones down and has top control, an elbow by jones on the bottom upward would more than hurt Karelin badly. That is if jones does not submit him first and break his arm. It would not be a fair fight and jones has too many tools.
 
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I don't think people realize just how huge Ali vs Frazier was. It was insane. And it was far more than a boxing match. Politics, culture, race, Vietnam, social activism, etc. Nothing Jones or the UFC ever did or will do can top some of the historical boxing events.

Of course that was a time when there wasn't a million options for streaming or 500 channels on TV.
 
RedDevilFan said:
This is an imaginary thread along with imaginary posts about what would happen in a imaginary street fight.

Karelin outweighs jones by a significant amount of weight. He is about 128kg/ 284 lbs of solid muscle. The problem here is he is not a actual MMA fighter, he is a wrestler, and as Fedor stated it would not be a fair fight.

Just him being a great wrestler is not a given to beat a MMA fighter of jones stature in a street fight, and jones himself can also wrestle. Although wrestlers are said to have an advantage because they can grapple, getting hit is something wrestlers are not use too. Jones is a Muay Thai Striker, not a boxer, he uses knees, kicks, and elbows, and they break bones and hurt very badly when you have no experience getting hit by them. On top of that Jones has a background in Greco.

If used correctly, you should be able to use Muay Thai's strikes to beat a wrestling opponent before they have the opportunity to grab a hold of you. Jones is not some pussy, he is a champion, who is also a nasty fighter and will fight dirty in a street fight. Lets just say that Karelin supposedly gets jones down and has top control, an elbow by jones on the botton upward would more than hurt Karelin badly. It would not be a fair fight and jones has too many tools.
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Jones is not a Muay Thai stylist. I have never seen him throw a Thai low kick
 
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Jones is not a Muay Thai stylist. I have never seen him throw a Thai low kick
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What ? He throws low kicks all the time.

Jones is considered a Muay Thai practitioner and incorporates a variety of techniques from that martial art into his overall MMA fighting style, which includes kicks, clinch work, and effective use of elbows and knees; He throws a variety of elbows and other strikes.



If you are not use to being hit, especially with elbows or kicks, regardless of your size, they do considerable damage.

 
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AndrewGolota48 said:
Paulie lost to Artem in bareknuckle....and Fury lost to Ngannou in a damn boxing match for crying out loud. Logan Paul went to a draw with Floyd. There really is no debate at this point.

I'm not saying MMA fighters beat boxers in boxing...but even slight changes to the rules throw boxers completely off their game, like ranked HW boxer Frans Botha getting his ass handed to him in K-1 by smaller kickboxers, much less his MMA fight against WW Akiyama who subbed him with ease.

It's funny people literally just rely on the Tim Sylvia fluke again and again when there are so many counter examples, it's like some kind of pathological denial disorder.
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Yea no one had Artem winning that one, and Artem retired after he got his ass kicked by another boxer. Dont forget that slick.
Ngannou didnt beat Fury, and got bamboozled by AJ.
Mr Hits harder than anyone ever, did nothing in there and got KOd in probably KO of the year.
Dillian Whyte went 1-0 in MMA.
Laverne Clark went 4-1 in the UFC.
Conor Mcgregor, failed boxer, switched sports, became there biggest name ever.
Ngannou, Lewis, both started as boxers and made the switch..

Danny Lafever KOing Benji Radach in 53 seconds. Benji was 16-1-1. Danny never fought ever besides some amateur boxing.
Artur Szpilka is 3-1 in MMA after leaving boxing.
Glowacki is 1-1 in MMA after leaving boxing.
Jeremy WIlliams 5-0 in MMA.
 
RedDevilFan said:
What ? He throws low kicks all the time.

Jones is considered a Muay Thai striker and incorporates a variety of techniques from the martial art into his overall MMA fighting style, which includes kicks, clinch work, and effective use of elbows and knees; He throws cut kicks, teep kicks, question mark kicks, and throws a variety of elbows. along with other strikes.



Ir you are not use to being hit with elbows or kicked, they do considerable damage and they hurt. If you have ever been hit with an elbow, the amount of pain it causes is excruciating alone if you are not use to it.
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Throwing knees and elbows doesn't mean you are doing Muay thai
 
Human Bass said:
Well, grappling/wrestling is an annoying pill to swallow when we are mesmerized by beautiful striking. But yeah, a kid like Mica Galvão can destroy 99,9% of boxers and that is crazy to think about it at first.
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Then Maiquel Falcao shouldnt have ended up unconscious outside a gas station, laying next to his buddy, also unconscious.
Thats the annoying pill that MMA fans cant swallow.
All of this "That guy destroys all boxers" yet we have two BJJ Black belts unconscious, because they couldn't end the fight they started, with punches mind you.
I mean go watch the video and replace them with two boxers and try to tell me the same conclusion happens.
The boxers wouldve dropped all 4 guys and walked right out of there. But instead you had two MMA guys with BJJ backgrounds, and well it didnt work well for them.
Kaue Mena, never fought again and can barely walk outside without help.
Again, why didnt they use their superpowers to win the fight?
 
Well in terms of achievements, level of cultural impact, overall popularity. Muhammad Ali wins this one easily.

In terms of who wins in a fight. Than it's obviously Jon Jones.

But Ali is one of the most loved people ever. Up there with Nelson Mandela, Abraham Lincoln to name a few.
 
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Throwing knees and elbows doesn't mean you are doing Muay thai
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Jones is a MMA fighter, like other MMA fighters they incorporate many striking styles but his main striking style is heavily influenced by Muay Thai.

Jones has trained in Muay Thai for years under Winklejohn, and it is his preferred striking style. You are making comments about proficiency and that is a different topic.
 
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If Ali or Tyson stepped into an dark alley with Jones only Jones is coming out. Ali and Tyson's only choice would be do they run or get hurt.

In a boxing match they'd probably kill him easily.

Buy in MMA, Kickboxing , MMA or a street fight.

They're sleeping on their stomach wether like it or not.
 
Street fight are not MMA though. Its all about the circumstances. If they werent prepared it would favor an explosive fighter like Mike Tyson since he would KO without the fight getting further.

Jon Jones is far too calculating and cautious to be succesfull against some other fighters in history in a street fight. Silly comment from Dana but he will say whatever to hype a ufc-fighter in this scenario.

Even prime Brock could trample Jon Jones in a street fight. Jon Jones is too small for this scenario and especially far too slow.
 
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