Dana plans immediate Nunes-Penna rematch, who you got in the rematch?

Who Wins the Rematch?


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its terrible for a fighter to prepare and perform like this. now everybody smelled blood. maybe nunes just had enough and wants to end all.
Maybe. She's a new mother and seems to really love that role. Seems distracted. If she wants to quit she can. If she wants to continue, she has to understand she's not SO much better than everyone that she can literally not train and just show up. It will demand more of her than that.
 
I mean Stipe beat DC.

I don’t see any real good reason to favor Pena.
Stipe vs DC is a little unique in that both fighters were near 40 years old, and DC was on the brink of retirement (and Stipe shouldn’t be far behind, honestly).

There are some outliers to what I said. Jose Aldo did actually manage to recapture the FW belt (or an interim actually, and then was promoted to undisputed). But he lost it right away, couldn’t regain it, and dropped a weight class and still can’t capture a belt there. How can you not see a reason to factor Pena, when we just watched Pena mollywhop Amanda? Pena put a pace on her, kept her at bay with a nice jab, dealt with Nunes’ looping shots well, was able to gas her, take her dow, sub her…I see plenty of reasons to favor Pena personally. But I guess we’ll find out. :)
 
Stipe vs DC is a little unique in that both fighters were near 40 years old, and DC was on the brink of retirement (and Stipe shouldn’t be far behind, honestly).

There are some outliers to what I said. Jose Aldo did actually manage to recapture the FW belt (or an interim actually, and then was promoted to undisputed). But he lost it right away, couldn’t regain it, and dropped a weight class and still can’t capture a belt there. How can you not see a reason to factor Pena, when we just watched Pena mollywhop Amanda? Pena put a pace on her, kept her at bay with a nice jab, dealt with Nunes’ looping shots well, was able to gas her, take her dow, sub her…I see plenty of reasons to favor Pena personally. But I guess we’ll find out. :)
It's not like Pena is any younger than Amanda either tbh
 
The warning signs are most certainly there for Nunes... her striking got already exposed against GDR, and now this disaster against Pena. It's very rare that a champion caliber fighter totally collapses from one second to the other basically... it somewhat reminded me of the McGregor-Diaz turn of events, also in the 2nd round... I can see the arguments for a Pena win in the rematch, historical experience also tends in that direction.

That said... Nunes badly hurt Pena in the first round... and then when she completely fell apart and looked like a gassed amateur brawler... she STILL managed to do quite a big damage to Pena. I mean, there was a realistic chance for a Nunes KO even in those circumstances.

And Pena is still not a great fighter. I think I would favor a motivated Nunes in the rematch.
 
Peña.
Did Anderson win his rematch? Did Fedor go right back to winning? Did Barao? Aldo?
Amanda’s time is likely done. That’s the way it goes. She might get some more mileage fighting subpar competition for her FW belt, but I don’t see her being BW champ again.

this. when has a fighter ever won an immediate rematch? Cody ko'ed twice by TJ, Anderson/Weidman, McG/Dustin, Aldo/Max, Max/Volk, Weili/ Rose, etc. Taking that rematch is the worst decision a fighter can make.

Only person i can think of to do it was McG against diaz, and he barely snuck by. Plus Diaz is nothing special.
 
It's often the norm for huge upsets like this to be reversed in a rematch so I'm going Nunes . I think she'll take Pena more seriously and be on her A game this time around and make it look surprisingly easy .
Love Pena and it's awesome she got the upset but I'm not gonna chug the kool-aid on this one yet .
Pena won on pure heart and out bullying the bully I highly doubt that can be replicated if Nunes just has a proper game plan .

please name 1 other immediate rematch that saw a different outcome other than Conor/Nate. My above post lists 6 rematches where the opposite happened.
 
It's often the norm for huge upsets like this to be reversed in a rematch so I'm going Nunes . I think she'll take Pena more seriously and be on her A game this time around and make it look surprisingly easy .
Love Pena and it's awesome she got the upset but I'm not gonna chug the kool-aid on this one yet .
Pena won on pure heart and out bullying the bully I highly doubt that can be replicated if Nunes just has a proper game plan .

please name 1 other immediate rematch that saw a different outcome other than Conor/Nate. My above post lists 6 rematches where the opposite happened.


It’s not often that upsets are reversed. @Kyojiro Kagenuma pointed out Stipe vs DC, and I offered my thoughts on that. Since UFC 1, the person who won the first fight also wins the rematch 62% of the time.
https://www.oddsshark.com/ufc/ufc-rematch-betting-strategy-statistics
 
It’s not often that upsets are reversed. @Kyojiro Kagenuma pointed out Stipe vs DC, and I offered my thoughts on that. Since UFC 1, the person who won the first fight also wins the rematch 62% of the time.
https://www.oddsshark.com/ufc/ufc-rematch-betting-strategy-statistics
Didn't know of that statistic guess I was wrong thanks for pointing that in my direction . Interesting article too . Still think Nunes wins the rematch though . I would add in this case the odds were on such an astronomical level (-1000 Nunes) that this is in an almost special category for MMA . More akin to boxing odds for titles fights and I wonder what the static for boxing upset rematches/trilogy's would be .
 
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Yes. I forget about Stipe/DC, but then again DC lost his immediate rematch right after that. I'm going more along the lines of immediate, undeserved rematches. Any insight on those stats?
I couldn’t find stats specifically on immediate rematches, but I’d guess they follow roughly the same pattern.
Conor won his vs Nate (barely, I guess)
Stipe beat DC

Conor lost his against Poirier
Weili lost hers to Rose
Joanna also lost hers to Rose
Jose lost his to Max
Anderson lost his to Weidman
Max lost his to Volk

Just off the top of my head, it’s pretty lopsided towards the winner of the first fight also winning the rematch.
 
Your revisionist history here is laughable. Rousey was considered the WMMA GOAT until she lost to Holm and Cyborg was considered the WMMA GOAT until Nunes destroyed her. She's beaten the best fighters there were to fight at 135 and 145 and none of them were "flukes". Debate the talent level all you want, but Nunes beat them all until this last fight.

No one with any sense thought Rousey was any good. The fact that people like Rogan called her "once-ever" and publications like Rings posed the question of whether or not she would "conquer boxing" tells you all you need to know about how meaningful calling someone a "GOAT" is. Heck, the only reason I doubted if Holm would beat her was because every other opponent Rousey had faced had inexplicably thrown out whatever gameplan they had come in with and played right into Rousey's wheelhouse (most egregiously in the second Tate fight, but Zingano also gets a very dishonorable mention). Rousey's record was stunning, but nothing about actually watching her fight made her seem like some great athlete.

As for Cyborg, I imagine many people still do consider her the GOAT. Not counting her first professional fight ever 16 years ago, she's 25-1 with one NC. Not giving her the rematch against Nunes was a travesty, akin to if GSP had taken one fight after Serra 1 and then left the UFC. You can't tell anything about a 51 second KO loss at the tail end of a wild brawl except that one fighter had their chin just slightly more up and out than the other fighter; you might as well say Conor is a better fighter than Aldo. And perhaps you can't definitively claim that the Cyborg win was a fluke, but you sure can't say it wasn't, either. And isn't that the whole point of rematches, to resolve that question?

Is Nunes the 135 GOAT? Yeah, probably, for now, but that certainly speaks far more to the division itself than Nunes in particular. Cyborg is still queen at 145, Shevchenko obviously takes 125 (and probably WMMA GOAT overall, even before Saturday), and 115 is up for grabs.
 
Your revisionist history here is laughable. Rousey was considered the WMMA GOAT until she lost to Holm and Cyborg was considered the WMMA GOAT until Nunes destroyed her. She's beaten the best fighters there were to fight at 135 and 145 and none of them were "flukes". Debate the talent level all you want, but Nunes beat them all until this last fight.

You literally admitted that the competition Nunes faced, and beat was better than Pena so I'm not sure what you're arguing there.

Nunes takes the rematch easily if she takes the fight seriously.
No one with any sense thought Rousey was any good. The fact that people like Rogan called her "once-ever" and publications like Rings posed the question of whether or not she would "conquer boxing" tells you all you need to know about how meaningful calling someone a "GOAT" is. Heck, the only reason I doubted if Holm would beat her was because every other opponent Rousey had faced had inexplicably thrown out whatever gameplan they had come in with and played right into Rousey's wheelhouse (most egregiously in the second Tate fight, but Zingano also gets a very dishonorable mention). Rousey's record was stunning, but nothing about actually watching her fight made her seem like some great athlete.

As for Cyborg, I imagine many people still do consider her the GOAT. Not counting her first professional fight ever 16 years ago, she's 25-1 with one NC. Not giving her the rematch against Nunes was a travesty, akin to if GSP had taken one fight after Serra 1 and then left the UFC. You can't tell anything about a 51 second KO loss at the tail end of a wild brawl except that one fighter had their chin just slightly more up and out than the other fighter; you might as well say Conor is a better fighter than Aldo. And perhaps you can't definitively claim that the Cyborg win was a fluke, but you sure can't say it wasn't, either. And isn't that the whole point of rematches, to resolve that question?

Is Nunes the 135 GOAT? Yeah, probably, for now, but that certainly speaks far more to the division itself than Nunes in particular. Cyborg is still queen at 145, Shevchenko obviously takes 125 (and probably WMMA GOAT overall, even before Saturday), and 115 is up for grabs.
Rousey was great. In my WMMA GOAT list, she’s either #2 or #3 (Nunes, Ronda, Schev, or possibly Nunes, Schev, Ronda). Cyborg is a decent fighter but overrated (and a PED cheat, and if there really is such a thing as a weight bully, she personifies it)—probably still the 145 GOAT though, I guess.
 
Didn't know of that statistic guess I was wrong thanks for pointing in my direction . Interesting article too . Still think Nunes wins the rematch though . I would add in this case the odds were on such an astronomical level (-1000 Nunes) that this is in an almost special category for MMA . More akin to boxing odds for titles fights and I wonder what the static for boxing upset rematches/trilogy's would be .
Not sure when it comes to boxing, I don’t follow closely enough. Wilder just lost his to Fury of course. I’d have to do some research on that but it’s a good question.
 
If nunes takes a few of Dana boxercise for beginners classes she might be able to win.
 
Not sure when it comes to boxing, I don’t follow closely enough. Wilder just lost his to Fury of course. I’d have to do some research on that but it’s a good question.
Same I'm just a casual boxing fan . Wilder of course was an underdog throughout and the first time was a draw so different . But anyways the basis of what I'm saying is I think Nunes wins
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. But I hope Pena does just like the first time would be glorious .
 
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