Media Dana defends UFC fighter pay, uses "journeyman" Jim Miller as an example...

43 fights in the promotion, 3 main event spots, bunch of performance bonuses... Heck if he hasn't made millions that'd be messed up. The standard UFC contract seems to be x amount to show and that same amount to win. That amount seems to go up by a little bit each fight and at the end of each contract you can re-negotiate. After 40 fights Miller Still only got $120k to show for the last payout I can find which was 276. How many fighters manage 43 UFC fights?

Miller got $11k for UFC 100, you need to be a star or have a ton of fights under your belt before you get decent pay in the UFC.
 
Mack Yancy said:
Lol you would've voted for him.
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Poirierfan said:
The main difference is Dana talked about this before, he said men who hit woman are the scum of the earth, you don't hit a women no matter what (Dana said this). Come to find, by Dana's own words he's scum himself, and you're a scum supporter apparently. So I'm just reiterating what Dana indirectly called himself.
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Plus of course he's propped up Jon Jones to an extreme degree.
 
Lucas1980 said:
I just don't get the obsession of caring what other grown men agree to get paid.
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I want to see the best fighters in the world fight

Their skills can’t develop to their full potential if they have to work side jobs. Or are playing it safe to get boring decision wins because they need the other 20k of their paycheck to cover their bills
 
nostradumbass said:
That's kind of the point. It isn't $2 million anyway, $2 million isn't even half of what he's made just from the UFC without adding any endorsements, seminars etc. The point was picking out a guy who doesn't sell PPVs and has never even headlined one, never won a title or even fought for one, just plugs away and takes fights, wins a bit more than he loses, and has made $5 million taking half a year off every year for the last decade and a half.

He could have picked Overeem who has 19 losses, less than half as many UFC fights as Miller, also never won a title, and still made over $10 million in the UFC with a 12-8 record.
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I like how you point out all the benefits without pointing out all the various fees like paying their gym, training partners, coaches, manager, etc. Taking half a yr off, like MMA fighters don't need to train? Its impossible to fight every 3 months due to various issues like injury etc, no one has been able to sustain that level of activity in the UFC over the course of 10 yrs. Overeem was always considered a title contender in the HW division (HWs are generally paid much more) except towards the end of his tenure

Also, $5 million over 15 yrs minus all the various expenses & taxes isn't some big huge number like you think it is for someone in the Super Bowl of MMA. Like I said, I don't pretend to know how much someone like Miller should make, but Dana using him as an example when the dude has had 43 fights isn't some proof that UFC pays well
 
Fisticuffa said:
If its not being run like a business how are all these companies in operation for decades? Stop talking BS

Meanwhile let's look at MMA: just 2 companies generate a profit UFC & the far smaller Rizin. Everyone else is just burning cash like PFL & ONE, there is your healthy thriving industry. In boxing on the other hand you have multiple major promoters worldwide generating profits (that's how they have been able to stay in business for decades genius) which is the metric that matters in the end not Dana's word salad like "going out sale"

Boxing promoters pay out far more of the revenue to fighters, & even Don King paid far more to his fighters than what UFC does from the revenue generated. I would take that stewardship over whatever stewardship UFC does

You have 0 idea of what you are babbling about, so try & palm off some gibberish you heard out of Dana's mouth (e. g. "going out sale") as some truth. The guy talked up Zuffa boxing but is promoting slap "fighting" to yokels like you...

Ironic you mention the Ali act because what the Ali act prohibits is legal in MMA, in other words MMA promoters just practice legalized corruption by the standards of the Ali act. An example of this is promoter controlled belts or managers working for the promoter while they are supposed to look out for the interests of their fighter

The ex UFC fighters who are involved with the class action law suit against UFC want the Ali act expanded to cover MMA as well for this very reason

For this episode we will be looking at the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act AKA the Ali Act. What is it, how does it work in boxing, and what would it do if it was expanded to MMA?
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lol calm your tits. you’re so defensive about the boxing industry. idk why, pretty much everyone agrees it’s the most corrupt and disorganized racket in sports.
 
Yeah cause the UFC is crawling with Jim Millers, 40 year old active fighters with 40+ fights in the UFC....
 
Doctor Grudge said:
Half of my friends make about 300k which is the same as what Jim Miller makes. I have no idea why you keep saying this before 40 thing. Most people make more money in their 40s than their 20s and 30s - Jim Miller will go in the opposite direction.


I did not compare Jim Miller to the "highest paid guy" or anyone in particular. I said that someone who is elite at their job like Jim Miller is will make more money in many professions. The 100,000th most successful lawyer makes more money than Jim Miller does - and Miller is much closer to #1 than # 100,000 in his profession.

If you want me to not use high paying professions then I can use establish professions from other sports and entertainment. Someone with Jim Miller's success in boxing would have made more money.

There are fire fighters who make 300,000 dollars per year - no, not the average, but Jim Miller is not the average fighter. Firefighters also have benefits including a pension lol, so once they're 40 they're not done like Jim Miller will be. Is being a firefighter harder than having the most wins in the UFC?


Jim Miller did good for himself, but for him to represent the UFC as a sample of good pay is really ridiculous. You realize how much money the UFC makes compared to what Jim Miller is paid? Jim Miller made an unguaranteed 300k per year - and isn't exactly going to get a pension when he turns 40.

Also, fighters like Jim Miller a % of their purse to their gym (at least 20% probably). If we are bringing up college debt, which is not universal, we should acknowledge that Jim Miller has expenses as well.
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I don't think Miller pays 20% of his purse to his gym. He's been running his own MMA gym with his brother for the last ten years and I imagine he also has an income from that.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
I mean, dude has been with the company for 15 years? If he worked a job making 60k, that gets him close to a million I guess. What is he paying his trainers etc? But he’s a fighter and likes to fight and made better money than many people, but Dana also chose one of the longest tenured guys to talk about.
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Someone posted a link with all his fight purses and he's made nearly $5million.

Plus he's run his own MMA gym the last ten years so I don't imagine his training is costing him anything.
 
HP_Nut said:
I like how you point out all the benefits without pointing out all the various fees like paying their gym, training partners, coaches, manager, etc. Taking half a yr off, like MMA fighters don't need to train? Its impossible to fight every 3 months due to various issues like injury etc, no one has been able to sustain that level of activity in the UFC over the course of 10 yrs. Overeem was always considered a title contender in the HW division (HWs are generally paid much more) except towards the end of his tenure

Also, $5 million over 15 yrs minus all the various expenses & taxes isn't some big huge number like you think it is for someone in the Super Bowl of MMA. Like I said, I don't pretend to know how much someone like Miller should make, but Dana using him as an example when the dude has had 43 fights isn't some proof that UFC pays well
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Probably for the same reason you don't subtract taxes and expenses when giving anybody else's salary either.

Jim Miller has owned his gym for the last decade, so that's not an expense, it's an additional source of income.

The super bowl is the championship, and we've already established he's never fought for the championship.

Look, obviously once you've made up your mind, and even say "I don't know how much he should make", but $5 million isn't enough, and $10 million for Overeem isn't enough, it's obvious your goal is to complain and no amount of reality is going to talk you out of it.
 
"Jim Miller has made a lot of money utilizing this 'Opportunity'. We allowed him to keep the fight gear, the Venum coupons and he always knew he was free to get at job a Subway or something if he was hurting for money. Did he get a job at Subway? No he didn't and that's because he knew the money we were giving him was good enough." - Dana White
 
cmw43 said:
Someone posted a link with all his fight purses and he's made nearly $5million.

Plus he's run his own MMA gym the last ten years so I don't imagine his training is costing him anything.
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Well, to call him a journeyman is tough to hear. I wouldn’t think journeyman last that long in the sport. He is an outlier and for Dana to say we pay fighters well, just look at Jim miller is disingenuous. Happy for jim that he built an amazing career.
 
I honestly think Jim should take Journeyman as his nickname :D Stick it to Dana <45>

Jim Journeyman Miller has a feel to it :cool:
 
Shaddup Dana you fat weird mouthed bitch.
 
Luthien said:
I honestly think Jim should take Journeyman as his nickname :D Stick it to Dana <45>

Jim Journeyman Miller has a feel to it :cool:
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Journeyman Jim rolls off the tongue better. We're on to something here, boys...

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nostradumbass said:
Probably for the same reason you don't subtract taxes and expenses when giving anybody else's salary either.

Jim Miller has owned his gym for the last decade, so that's not an expense, it's an additional source of income.

The super bowl is the championship, and we've already established he's never fought for the championship.

Look, obviously once you've made up your mind, and even say "I don't know how much he should make", but $5 million isn't enough, and $10 million for Overeem isn't enough, it's obvious your goal is to complain and no amount of reality is going to talk you out of it.
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I never said $5 million isn't enough, I said once you factor in expenses & taxes, it's definitely not a lot of money for a pro fighter in the biggest MMA organization in the world. If I work 17 yrs in a high profile job, where I main event 3 times in the biggest MMA org in the world (yes, they were not PPV events but they were widely seen by so many), that really isn't a lot of money at all. People do account for expenses when talking about yearly salary, the tax part you are correct, people don't account for that when talking about how much they make. Its laughable that you think $5 million is a ton of money for 17 yrs/43 fights of work in the biggest fight promotion on earth. Only on Sherdog do people think UFC fighters should be grateful they make more than avg Joe Schmo. UFC commissoned a study on fighter pay, they paid for the study themselves, they found UFC is literally the lowest paying of all sports in terms of percentage of revenue. UFC paid for the study, results only got found out because of the current court case
 
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