Dan Hooker's case , Eugene Bareman & City Kickboxing

His coach was against the move down and there's only so much you can teach, is up to the fighter to have the skills to take in the teaching.
 
Vespasian70AD said:
Bareman is obviously a decent coach. But I think he’s vastly overrated in the same way John Kavanagh was when Conor burst onto the scene.

Some coaches just get kissed on the dick because a tremendously talented and hard working athlete happened to walk through their doors one day. Who as you say, would’ve likely become great wherever he went.

When Conor came along, everyone hyped up SBG and thought it would become a production line for great fighters. Instead we got Artem. James Gallagher, a ruined Gunnar Nelson, and that Charlie Ward guy that got KO’d via head spike throw.

When Izzy came along, everyone hyped up CKB and thought it would become a production line for great fighters. Kara-France is decent. But unlikely to trouble the top of the division. Riddell and Volkanovski both do more training away from CKB than they do with them. And Dan Hooker is tough and has heart. But has been found out.

Hooker is to Adesanya, as Artem Lobov was to Conor.
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Yeah kinda, I just don't think any coach deserves that much praise, there's only so much they can really do. Once you hit a certain level of knowledge, it just comes down to who gets the most talented fighters. There is no coach out there who is so amazing they can turn a mediocre fighter into a champ. There are definitely coaches that are so bad they can turn a championship-level fighter into a mediocre one, but again, once you hit a certain level of knowledge that all the top coaches are at, it just comes down to who gets the most talented guys.
 
Tapatio said:
That could be it
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nah man. He coaches adasanya. Just coach him to have all those attributes and he’ll be a champion… just like if you or I was under Eugene. We’d all be champions in no time

sherdog is retarded
 
The move back to 145 was just a bad call. And I don't think it was any of Eugene's doing. I get why he did so as he probably thought there's just no way he's ever going to beat a guy like Islam. But there's also just no way Hooker can perform at his best at 145 lbs entering his mid 30's. Maybe give Dan 1 more try at righting the ship. But at the same time, it might be best for Dan to let him explore an option like Eagle FC and get a fresh start where it's probably clear Dan is not touching gold in the UFC.
 
Dorkman said:
The move back to 145 was just a bad call. And I don't think it was any of Eugene's doing. I get why he did so as he probably thought there's just no way he's ever going to beat a guy like Islam. But there's also just no way Hooker can perform at his best at 145 lbs entering his mid 30's. Maybe give Dan 1 more try at righting the ship. But at the same time, it might be best for Dan to let him explore an option like Eagle FC and get a fresh start where it's probably clear Dan is not touching gold in the UFC.
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Eugene was against it if I recall correctly but he convinced them after a visit at the UFC PI where they tested the cut in a healthy manner.
 
He looks done, to be honest. I hope it was just the weight cut. I've never though Hooker was good, but he's never looked so out of place in a fight as he did tonight. Wish the best for the guy.
 
chiefwiggum said:
nah man. He coaches adasanya. Just coach him to have all those attributes and he’ll be a champion… just like if you or I was under Eugene. We’d all be champions in no time

sherdog is retarded
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You should move over there and become champ bro!
 
Orochimaru 大蛇丸 said:
Yeah kinda, I just don't think any coach deserves that much praise, there's only so much they can really do. Once you hit a certain level of knowledge, it just comes down to who gets the most talented fighters. There is no coach out there who is so amazing they can turn a mediocre fighter into a champ. There are definitely coaches that are so bad they can turn a championship-level fighter into a mediocre one, but again, once you hit a certain level of knowledge that all the top coaches are at, it just comes down to who gets the most talented guys.
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And in the same way that money makes money. Talent attracts talent. Then the biggest challenge for a coach is not becoming a Puppy Mill like Jackson-Wink did. And that I’m starting to think ATT is on the cusp of becoming.
 
It's his coach, he should've stay at 155 & actually improve his overall MMA. Instead of trying to be a weight bully. They even tried a laid back decision fighting style against Chandler.
 
Orochimaru 大蛇丸 said:
Some of yall wayyyyyy overestimate coaching, talent is what it's all about, Israel would be the champ if he trained in any of the top gyms
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People love to undermine talent when that's the most important aspect. Hard work only matters if there's any talent to begin with.
 
Vespasian70AD said:
And in the same way that money makes money. Talent attracts talent. Then the biggest challenge for a coach is not becoming a Puppy Mill like Jackson-Wink did. And that I’m starting to think ATT is on the cusp of becoming.
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Yeah that's a good point about Jackson Wink, seems like Jackson was the real brains behind it and lost interest.
 
Hooker>Burns>Khamzat>Everyone.

Deal with it.
 
I wonder how he would have done if he had packed on some muscle and just fought at WW. He might have been able to perform much better.
 
Vespasian70AD said:
Bareman is obviously a decent coach. But I think he’s vastly overrated in the same way John Kavanagh was when Conor burst onto the scene.

Some coaches just get kissed on the dick because a tremendously talented and hard working athlete happened to walk through their doors one day. Who as you say, would’ve likely become great wherever he went.

When Conor came along, everyone hyped up SBG and thought it would become a production line for great fighters. Instead we got Artem. James Gallagher, a ruined Gunnar Nelson, and that Charlie Ward guy that got KO’d via head spike throw.

When Izzy came along, everyone hyped up CKB and thought it would become a production line for great fighters. Kara-France is decent. But unlikely to trouble the top of the division. Riddell and Volkanovski both do more training away from CKB than they do with them. And Dan Hooker is tough and has heart. But has been found out.

TLDR version - Hooker is to Adesanya, as Artem Lobov was to Conor.
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It's so obvious that Izzy is a freak talent. There is no magic remedy that overcomes a huge disparity in talent. Good coaching and training will draw out potential, but if that potential is shit then it's w/e.
 
Xoleth said:
He has a topcoach, who coaches 2 defending UFC champions

He has a great reach, FW or LW, I think the only guy who had a better reach at LW recently was James Vick and that because he was a fucking MW.

He has top sparring parters, technical fighters, like Adesanya, Volk, even Riddell, Kai, Ulberg.

He's (or was) a guy who can endure a lot of punishment (see the Barboza fight), athletic.

Can't Bareman teach him some "be smart, be pacient, don't go into his fists"?
Can't he teach his some distance control, having a better technique, actually learn something from Adesanya, Riddell and Volk?

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Hooker had a case of Australian obnoxiousness seeping in, liking a fighter who is clearly not that good and glamorizing him even after losses.
 
Vespasian70AD said:
Bareman is obviously a decent coach. But I think he’s vastly overrated in the same way John Kavanagh was when Conor burst onto the scene.

Some coaches just get kissed on the dick because a tremendously talented and hard working athlete happened to walk through their doors one day. Who as you say, would’ve likely become great wherever he went.

When Conor came along, everyone hyped up SBG and thought it would become a production line for great fighters. Instead we got Artem. James Gallagher, a ruined Gunnar Nelson, and that Charlie Ward guy that got KO’d via head spike throw.

When Izzy came along, everyone hyped up CKB and thought it would become a production line for great fighters. Kara-France is decent. But unlikely to trouble the top of the division. Riddell and Volkanovski both do more training away from CKB than they do with them. And Dan Hooker is tough and has heart. But has been found out.

TLDR version - Hooker is to Adesanya, as Artem Lobov was to Conor.
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Hooker and Artem are in no way comparable.
 
He needs to build himself back up and that comes from fighting people further down the ladder, dude has been losing his way up for a while now
 
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