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DAMN Daniel, back it again with the ref complaints

Fyreborn said:
Did TS gather these pics? Or did someone else do the work for him?

I was comparing your complaint about this thread, to DC complaining. I thought that was fairly evident.
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I made the collage, took a few minutes to do just skimming the fight.
 
Fullmount Triangle said:
I get the point, it's not a difficult point to grasp, the point is why is this its own thread? he clearly thought it was a clever enough post to make it its own thread, but it wasn't.

Cormier doesn't want a passive ref in the fight that has provably allowed Jones to foul and stall if he can help it, not really a big deal, considering the 5th round was literally just killing time on the part of jones. 9 still frames of Cormier/Mir don't disprove that, but you have your agenda and you're sticking to it.
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Let's be honest here, DC complaining about a tool he often uses himself is pure hipocrisy and his actions leading up to this fight are turning a ton of fans off. Stop being such a pussy and whining about everything, focus on beating Jones and stfu. He's been the one talking shit since Jones got stripped of the title for being a douche, he's the one that Called Jones out after he beat Rumble. He's got the fight he wants now so what's up with all the kid shit? I found it simply special that DC wanted to bring up shit that was said between 2 grown men in private to the whole public at a press conference:

43:58 of the video


DC wonders why he is getting boo'd but he needs to look no further then how he played himself in that press conference. He said his emotions got the better of him in that first fight well they seem to be even stronger this time around. Everytime we turn around he is whining about something and this is just another example. Jon didn't pick Herb and a ton of DC's overall game is to hold fighters up against the cage and wear them down just look at any of his fights.

TS is saying the pot is calling the kettle black simple as that.
 
Fyreborn said:
Did TS gather these pics? Or did someone else do the work for him?

I was comparing your complaint about this thread, to DC complaining. I thought that was fairly evident.
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It was phrased poorly so i didn't know. It was a weird comparison to draw regardless, considering this thread didn't need to exist as there's a perfectly good thread already around with more information available, not really 1 to 1 with referees in a cage fight with one of the competitors not being thrilled with it, something that is foreign to mma fans but i follow boxing, and i guess i recognize that officials matter, and Herb Dean is proven to not be able to adequately take charge of a fight. But if Cormier says anything, he's complaining. He's somehow the heel in this fight because he doesn't fit the MMA fan power fantasy.

I was wondering if TS made the collage himself or if it already existed. I hope it was already in the thread, posted either by him or someone else, and he posted it in his own thread for hella likes.
 
LiL CeeZ said:
He's illustrating a point here n00bs. Cormier sent a formal complaint that Jones was allowed to hold him up against the fence and Herb didn't reset them but as you can see from the pics TS posted Cormier held Mir (and many other fighters not pictured) up against the fence for a long time in that fight so why the fuck is he crying? Oh because that's what DC does, he cries about everything and wonders why the fans are booing him..
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I didn't realise he made a formal complaint. For all I knew it was because Herb is a shitty ref. My bad.
 
Hillarious that people are calling DC a whiner for wanting the rule enforced when it benefits him

are you saying a smart person would not try to get a different referee in that situation? It's opportunistic, but it isn't whiny.
 
From..."If I decide to take Jon Jones down 100 times, I'll take him down a 100 times"

To..."Let me bang, Herb"
 
LiquidSnake said:
Daniel has a point

Jones spent a lot of time nullifying Daniel with his wall & stall tactics
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that's not a point. he did the exact same thing to Rumble. he didn't do anything but hold Rumble and get hit the entire 1st rd.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
that's not a point. he did the exact same thing to Rumble. he didn't do anything but hold Rumble and get hit the entire 1st rd.
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And? you think DC isn't aware of that? He's perfectly aware of it. He's trying to get as much of an advantage as he can (any smart fighter would)
 
Complaints or not and DC and Jones aside, if I don't see Herb reffing a title fight I'm always ok
 
Herb was in really poor form for the Mir/Cormier fight.

It felt very unnecessary the few times he broke them up. There was much more activity against the fence throughout this fight than there was in the 5th round of Jones/Cormier.

If he was as anxious to separate the fighters in the Jones/DC fight as he was DC/Mir, there were many more opportunities for him to do it.
 
EXOICHO said:
And? you think DC isn't aware of that? He's perfectly aware of it. He's trying to get as much of an advantage as he can (any smart fighter would)
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but it's not an advantage. it sounds like he's whining about minor details. if i was Jones i'd gain confidence by his actions, i'd think to myself, "he knows it's going to be even harder now that's why he's making a big deal out of this." it's like he's asking for a ref who will help him out in the fight because he knows he can't stop Jones from putting him into that position and he can't get out of it once he's put there unless the ref helps him out.

it also gives a little insight to what Cormier thinks is going to happen in the fight. he says this like it's a forgone conclusion that at some point Jones will have control of him in a clinch and stuff him into the cage.

that's down right frightening for me to think about if i was Cormier's corner.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
but it's not an advantage. it sounds like he's whining about minor details. if i was Jones i'd gain confidence by his actions, i'd think to myself, "he knows it's going to be even harder now that's why he's making a big deal out of this." it's like he's asking for a ref who will help him out in the fight because he knows he can't stop Jones from putting him into that position and he can't get out of it once he's put there unless the ref helps him out.

it also gives a little insight to what Cormier thinks is going to happen in the fight. he says this like it's a forgone conclusion that at some point Jones will have control of him in a clinch and stuff him into the cage.

that's down right frightening for me to think about if i was Cormier's corner.
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I think you're reading into it way too hard.

The referee allowed stalling (this is factual).
The stalling did not benefit him

It is advantageous for him to get a referee that is way less lenient on stalling.

He's not going around to the media whining about herb dean costing him the fight, or anything like that. You really come off as biased to me, or maybe just really bored, i dont know. (I don't mean that in an insulting way, that's just the only way I can imagine you thinking of it that deeply)
 
Pretty weak move on DC's part. Guys proven to be a beast wrestler (in every fight bar Jones), gets outwrestled by Jones (essentially what pressing against the cage is), and makes an official fucking complaint about it???

Guy comes across as having lost mentally already.
 
EXOICHO said:
I think you're reading into it way too hard.

The referee allowed stalling (this is factual).
The stalling did not benefit him

It is advantageous for him to get a referee that is way less lenient on stalling.

He's not going around to the media whining about herb dean costing him the fight, or anything like that. You really come off as biased to me, or maybe just really bored, i dont know. (I don't mean that in an insulting way, that's just the only way I can imagine you thinking of it that deeply)
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no, i actually don't care who wins. in the 1st fight i wanted DC to smash him, but the way the fight went and the way he has fought lately, i doubt he'll be able to win.

i didn't think about it deeply, that's the first thing i thought when i read DC complaining about it. i don't know if you've ever fought, but fighters, they look for things, any little thing that gives them that little more confidence, and i can't see how Jones wouldn't take this as a confidence booster.

i also think you missed the point.

because he asked for a different ref with a specific reason, is the point that he shouldn't have said. he should've just said, "i don't want Herb Dean reffing my fight". but because he said, "i don't want Herb Dean reffing my fight because he allow Jon Jones to stall me out" makes it sound like why would that matter unless you think you're going to get stalled out?

it's the same as if someone wanted a ref who stood them up quicker. why? because you know you can't stop this dude's takedown so you want a handicap? it's a perceived weakness, like he already has conceded that he will be controlled in the clinch at some point in the fight, instead of not giving a fuck because he's confident in his training that it won't let that ever happen to him again.
 
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