Crime Dallas Officer Kills Man in Apartment "She Thought Was Hers"

[Culombo]

if they knew each other, it'll be confirmed with calls and texts .. no mention of that ?

 

[HereticBD]

if they knew each other, it'll be confirmed with calls and texts .. no mention of that ?

We'll see. Trial begins today.

Even if they were strangers, her defense of thinking it was her own apartment is a tough sell, unless she was high or drunk. Most anybody knows their own residence, the second they step in the door.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Because that's how the law works? You know, that bit about assuming not guilty, until is proven guilty?

In this case, it's "Manslaughter until proven Murder". If you have any evidents that remotely suggested that she is lying about this being an accident and this is actually a planned and premeditated murder, feel free to post it to make your case.

Well actually that is not how the law works, although Police due seem to have the sole exception here.


it tomorrow you walk in to someone else's home and shoot them dead your defense of "i though this was my home and they were a threat' won't likely prevent you being charged with murder.

There might be some sympathy if they believe the 'mistaken home' reason but still the way the law works is that you would have to establish you were at threat and not just fearful of some unseen threat that spooked you. Meaning, ok you were spooked but what actually threat did you respond to beyond your fear?

I have written about that often that police, are the only ones who seem to get that exemption to simply say 'I was scared' and then are able to kill even if the person posed zero threat.

 

[MikeMcMann]

It depends. They might know some stuff we don't. Her story doesn't add up, and I wouldn't be surprised if they some evidence that they weren't exactly strangers to each other, and that there could be some motivation on her part.

On it's face, the whole thing sounds like an ill conceived plot she hatched to get away with murder.

that is what I suspect. That there is some history between them. Probably they banged at some point.

If any such evidence exists they did know one another, then her defense really goes out the window imo. Too many "Epstein like" coincidences to not cause serious doubt. She accidentally goes to the apartment of someone she knows? She accidentally shoots someone she knows because she does not recognize him??

If they are going for murder it better be due to info leading to something like that or I do suspect the over charge might be a way to ensure she walks as proving intent to jury conviction level is near impossible in the most clear of circumstances.

 

[The Merchant]

This is purely subjective and has no basis in fact but for some reason listening to that 911 call and her repeating i thought it was my apartment it came across as insincere to me.

Now i accept that's probably just my biases in my brain at work or something but just the constant repeating it like an alibi.

In shock you would repeat what you thought as well though.

Some random thing is making me disbelief her though from that call.

ps, i'd hate to have someone judge me based on feelings so hypocritical here .

 

[MikeMcMann]

We'll see. Trial begins today.

Even if they were strangers, her defense of thinking it was her own apartment is a tough sell, unless she was high or drunk. Most anybody knows their own residence, the second they step in the door.

again the necessary coincidences work against her.

Ok so does she routinely leave her apartment unlocked and just walk in? Likely no.

So then, ok, she finds his apartment unlocked. Sure that will concern you, if you think it is your place, but it should also trigger the 'wast is not right here' look around, as you say, and instantly notice nothing makes sense. Even if at that very moment you see the guy standing across the room, you should pick up reflexively that nothing in the room makes sense. Nothing is where it should be.

I mean, lets give her full benefit of the doubt and say the physical units floor layouts are mirror images of one another, which is not always the case, nothing inside the unit would be the same as in her unit. The couch, the tv, the kitchen counter, the paint, ...everything should have been screaming 'different' which leaves her only with the 'hair trigger threat defense'.

That is that she detected such an immediate and defined threat that she felt her one and only option was to shoot immediately upon seeing him. No 'freeze'. No 'hands up or I'll shoot'. No questions asked, none sought, no attempt to arrest and detain. Just shoot first and figure out what is going on later. And that as well is a very dangerous slope we would be allowing cops if we say that is justified.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

It doesn’t matter much to me whether it was an accident or not. Even if it was, she should still face severe consequences for murdering an innocent person.

 

[Staph infection]

There’s obviously more going on here. The cop and that dude had some kind of relationship.

Is it plausible that you could enter a stranger’s apartment and actually believe you are in your own apartment, as she claimed? How did she even open the door without a key.

This story doesn’t add up.

I always though that too. I think he gave her the pickle tickle and realized she was an unstable crazy cop chick and broke it off or he was dipping in someone else and she found out and went off. It would explain why a witness heard her yelling to open the door before she went in and shot him.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Really worried the defense of this just being one big tragic accident will fly here and she'll be let off

Jury being sequestered

 

[all caps]

Livestream of the trial (going on right now)

Maybe we need a PBP thread?

 

[Andy Capp]

This is purely subjective and has no basis in fact but for some reason listening to that 911 call and her repeating i thought it was my apartment it came across as insincere to me.

Now i accept that's probably just my biases in my brain at work or something but just the constant repeating it like an alibi.

In shock you would repeat what you thought as well though.

Some random thing is making me disbelief her though from that call.

ps, i'd hate to have someone judge me based on feelings so hypocritical here .

But as I said earlier ITT, let's say we totally give her the benefit of the doubt that she was sure it was her apartment the entire time until after the guy was dead. On the 911 call, it sounds to me like she believed her actions were totally ok as long as it was her home, as in, even though she had every reason to stay in the hallway and call it in, she went in guns a blazin without even knowing what the threat was. To me, that shows intent, or at least reckless disregard for human life.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I haven't been paying close attention to the headlines of this trial.

What are the final charges the DA is going to trial with?

What's the most time the defendant can get? (Jury - Guilty)
What's the least time the defendant can get (Jury - Guilty)
And has the DA offered any plea deal?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Wonder where this line of questioning is going

 

[method115]

Well actually that is not how the law works, although Police due seem to have the sole exception here.


it tomorrow you walk in to someone else's home and shoot them dead your defense of "i though this was my home and they were a threat' won't likely prevent you being charged with murder.

There might be some sympathy if they believe the 'mistaken home' reason but still the way the law works is that you would have to establish you were at threat and not just fearful of some unseen threat that spooked you. Meaning, ok you were spooked but what actually threat did you respond to beyond your fear?

I have written about that often that police, are the only ones who seem to get that exemption to simply say 'I was scared' and then are able to kill even if the person posed zero threat.

I don't think the law works like that here in Texas. If someone is in your home as far as I know you have the right to shoot them. You don't have to wait until they pose a threat. I could be wrong though.

 

[My Spot]

Really worried the defense of this just being one big tragic accident will fly here and she'll be let off

Jury being sequestered

She can still be found guilty of manslaughter. The choice isn't just either murder or not guilty.
I bet anything she was shitfaced but they didn't do a toxicology that night.

 

[Phisher]

LOL @ these fucking scumbags.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I don't think the law works like that here in Texas. If someone is in your home as far as I know you have the right to shoot them. You don't have to wait until they pose a threat. I could be wrong though.

Sure but then you better ensure it is YOUR home.

not enter their home and shoot and just say 'I thought it was my home'.

 

[MikeMcMann]

She can still be found guilty of manslaughter. The choice isn't just either murder or not guilty.
I bet anything she was shitfaced but they didn't do a toxicology that night.

is that accurate if she is not charged with that? Can the jury or judge just look down the list and pick something they think applies if they don't find what was charged was just?

I know if they file multiple charges they can find guilt for some but not others but I have not heard the judge or jury can just pick anything on the books they think suits better if the Prosecutor did not charge them with it.

I know in Canada that is not how it works.

 

[HereticBD]

LOL @ these fucking scumbags.

I don't see how that has anything to do with anything. I guess it's character shit, but overall, what does it have to do with the case? Prosecution seems to be reaching to make her out to be a liar, which is worrying in that they're not confident in the actual.case evidence.

Hey guys, she walked into someone else's apartment and blew him away. Do you really need this side show shit?

 

[all caps]

Opening statement from prosecution


Opening statement from Guygers defense