Crime Dallas Officer Kills Man in Apartment "She Thought Was Hers"

[DeJulez]

Listening to her 911 call, you can tell she made an honest mistake.
When she says something like "I swear I parked on the 3rd floor..." I believe her.

I don't know how they should go about it, but murder wouldn't be right.

Everything from her voice, to how shes talking, cop or not, you feel bad for her.

Probation, badge taken away, and some sort of payment from the police to the family.
No jail, not needed.
Does nothing in this case.

 

[TheLastSpartan]

Everything from her voice, to how shes talking, cop or not, you feel bad for her.

Probation, badge taken away, and some sort of payment from the police to the family.
No jail, not needed..

I feel bad for the victim whose life was taken unequivocally through no fault of his own and his loved ones who have to come to terms with the senseless loss.

And yes she absolutely deserves jail time. You cannot be serious with what you just posted.

 

[DeJulez]

I feel bad for the victim whose life was taken unequivocally through no fault of his own and his loved ones who have to come to terms with the senseless loss.

And yes she absolutely deserves jail time. You cannot be serious with what you just posted.

You're talking to a guy whose Pro-Trayvon Pro-Michael Brown. Not a "cop" guy.

I'm also not one of those "lock em up guys"
I think most people shouldn't be in jail.

In this case, I think she made an honest mistake.
I feel bad for the victim too, but I don't think we should throw her in jail.
That does nothing. He's not coming back, and there is no real lesson for her to learn. She fucked up. That's it.

It isn't like this is the 15th time shes broken into a house, where its like "Hey fucker you're gonna sit in here for awhile until you learn"

Take her badge, put her on probation and make her and the department pay millions upon millions.

We need to start getting rid of the jail shit. We don't need that many fuckin people in jail.

 

[3DayFunk]

She made a mistake, she shouldn't be charged with murder...

Any person that wasn't a cop who made this same mistake would be charged with murder

 

[TheLastSpartan]

You're talking to a guy whose Pro-Trayvon Pro-Michael Brown. Not a "cop" guy.

I'm also not one of those "lock em up guys"
I think most people shouldn't be in jail.

In this case, I think she made an honest mistake.
I feel bad for the victim too, but I don't think we should throw her in jail.
That does nothing. He's not coming back, and there is no real lesson for her to learn. She fucked up. That's it.

It isn't like this is the 15th time shes broken into a house, where its like "Hey fucker you're gonna sit in here for awhile until you learn"

Take her badge, put her on probation and make her and the department pay millions upon millions.

We need to start getting rid of the jail shit. We don't need that many fuckin people in jail.

Your stance on cops is irrelevant to my assertion. (Btw, I too echo your sentiments on reducing incarceration rates).

Still...she deserves jail time. The shooting being a mistake shouldn't absolve one from appropriate punishment, particularly when a life was intentionally taken. This isn't a case of negligent discharge or an accidental shooting where I would possibly agree with you.

This was voluntary manslaughter at the minimum. Ordinary citizens are jailed every day for far lesser offenses and that is indisputable.

Police are already treated far more favorably by the judicial system relative to the rest of the populace.

Not only that, but I firmly adhere to the concept of certain ppl being beholden to higher standards of judgment and responsibility than the average joe. And she's in two groups when it comes to that (a police officer and a firearm owner).

So yes she fucked up, and she deserves to be jailed considering the gravitas of said fuckup.

 

[Stoic1]

How would this go if she was not a police officer? That is the correct answer. End of statement.

 

[shockaholic12]

You're talking to a guy whose Pro-Trayvon Pro-Michael Brown. Not a "cop" guy.

I'm also not one of those "lock em up guys"
I think most people shouldn't be in jail.

In this case, I think she made an honest mistake.
I feel bad for the victim too, but I don't think we should throw her in jail.
That does nothing. He's not coming back, and there is no real lesson for her to learn. She fucked up. That's it.

It isn't like this is the 15th time shes broken into a house, where its like "Hey fucker you're gonna sit in here for awhile until you learn"

Take her badge, put her on probation and make her and the department pay millions upon millions.

We need to start getting rid of the jail shit. We don't need that many fuckin people in jail.

When the mistake includes you incredibly irresponsibly choosing to open fire resulting in an innocent persons death, you deserve time.

She was confused and instead of taking a moment to shut the door, retreat, and take all the huge opportunities she had to get grip on where she was, she choose the most stupidly dangerous and violent solution which was to just open fire into the darkness having no clue who she was shooting. She wasn’t cornered, she wasn’t threatened, she had every chance to remove herself from the situation safely, but she wanted to attack instead. That’s not a honest mistake, that’s choice she made.

 

[thehighking]

Investigate, charge, prosecute as appropriate. Her job should have no bearing on the outcome.

If anything police should be held to a higher standard and punishments for them should be harsher. It's really not good for the public interest to allow police officers to get away with this shit

 

[vengeful]

If there's special sentencing for criminals that kill cops, then there should be special sentencing for cops who kill innocent citizens. Since cops are trained professionals that are responsible for keeping the peace, when they do the opposite they deserve extra harsh sentencing the same as when a criminal attacks a cop.

 

[vengeful]

It isn't like this is the 15th time shes broken into a house, where its like "Hey fucker you're gonna sit in here for awhile until you learn"

Take her badge, put her on probation and make her and the department pay millions upon millions.

We need to start getting rid of the jail shit. We don't need that many fuckin people in jail.

This isn't the first time she's shot someone though. She's shot someone before and the prosecution is keeping the details of that shooting sealed instead of allowing that to be made public and used against her in this trial......Hmmmm

 

[Leagon]

What exactly are you arguing?

I think this is manslaughter, as in I don't think she knowingly and intentionally went to this specific guy's apartment with her gun drawn for the express purpose of murdering him the moment he opens the door.

This hasn't gone to trial yet, but it wouldn't surprise me that these two don't even know each others' names.

You didn't answer either of my questions.

Your belief that this is manslaughter is based on the version of events that she told. Why are we assuming she's being honest?

 

[Arkain2K]

You didn't answer either of my questions.

Your belief that this is manslaughter is based on the version of events that she told. Why are we assuming she's being honest?

Because that's how the law works? You know, that bit about assuming not guilty, until is proven guilty?

In this case, it's "Manslaughter until proven Murder". If you have any evidents that remotely suggested that she is lying about this being an accident and this is actually a planned and premeditated murder, feel free to post it to make your case.

 

[jamesmiller14]

When the mistake includes you incredibly irresponsibly choosing to open fire resulting in an innocent persons death, you deserve time.

She was confused and instead of taking a moment to shut the door, retreat, and take all the huge opportunities she had to get grip on where she was, she choose the most stupidly dangerous and violent solution which was to just open fire into the darkness having no clue who she was shooting. She wasn’t cornered, she wasn’t threatened, she had every chance to remove herself from the situation safely, but she wanted to attack instead. That’s not a honest mistake, that’s choice she made.

I agree with all of this. But I also consider the fact of how stressful job of a police officer must be and how that factors into how you would feel and how you would react when you come home from a long shift to find what appears to be a burglar in your apartment.

As I think is the case with a lot of what happens with police, I think they're under an incredible amount of stress almost every single day and for that reason I think to become a police officer you need to be psychologically vetted.

This woman never should have been wearing a badge, considering how this played out.

Probation, restitution, knowing for the rest of your life this deadly mistake that you made, and a shitload of restitution on behalf of the Dallas Police to the victim's family.

If she gets jail time, oh well. I just don't think that I would recommended it myself.

 

[jamesmiller14]

This isn't the first time she's shot someone though. She's shot someone before and the prosecution is keeping the details of that shooting sealed instead of allowing that to be made public and used against her in this trial......Hmmmm

I didn't know this. I think that serves the point that I just made. This woman should have never been wearing a badge.

That job is too stressful to not have officers psychologically vetted beforehand. we need to know that someone's not going to go on a power trip and we need to know that someone's not going to crumble under the constant stress of the job to the point that someone gets hurt, whether mortally or otherwise.

 

[shockaholic12]

I agree with all of this. But I also consider the fact of how stressful job of a police officer must be and how that factors into how you would feel and how you would react when you come home from a long shift to find what appears to be a burglar in your apartment.

As I think is the case with a lot of what happens with police, I think they're under an incredible amount of stress almost every single day and for that reason I think to become a police officer you need to be psychologically vetted.

This woman never should have been wearing a badge, considering how this played out.

Probation, restitution, knowing for the rest of your life this deadly mistake that you made, and a shitload of restitution on behalf of the Dallas Police to the victim's family.

If she gets jail time, oh well. I just don't think that I would recommended it myself.

I agree on the psych vetting. I would support transferring money from our bloated military budget to the police to find things like this and more training. Perhaps better salaries to attract smarter folks and make hiring more selective.

I just really think she needs at least a couple years behind bars. On her 911 call she never says “I thought he had a weapon, I thought I was in danger, he came towards me” just “l thought this was my crib! Damn I’m fucked”. This cowboy police behavior of feeling, even in situations where they aren’t in danger, that they are free to literally take confused shoots in the dark instead of retreating to assess the situation is getting innocent folks killed. It needs to be addressed very seriously. This woman was not threatened. She thought someone MAYBE broke in and was pissed and wanted to kill them in retaliation. That’s not a mistake, that’s violent person reacting accordingly.

The consequences of making incredibly foolish choices with a gun that robs an innocent of his life man can’t be “Damn, I guess it’s time for a career change and a bit of probation!” and hoping tax payer dollars will shut the families up. Citizens get probation and lose they jobs when they are busted doing recreational drugs that harm no one. It sends the message that making sure police don’t face any jail time is far more important than civilians lives.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Probation, badge taken away, and some sort of payment from the police to the family.
No jail, not needed.
Does nothing in this case.

Why should it be the police department that pays?
Her negligence while not on duty.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I agree on the psych vetting. I would support transferring money from our bloated military budget to the police to find things like this and more training. Perhaps better salaries to attract smarter folks and make hiring more selective.

I just really think she needs at least a couple years behind bars. On her 911 call she never says “I thought he had a weapon, I thought I was in danger, he came towards me” just “l thought this was my crib! Damn I’m fucked”. This cowboy police behavior of feeling, even in situations where they aren’t in danger, that they are free to literally take confused shoots in the dark instead of retreating to assess the situation is getting innocent folks killed. It needs to be addressed very seriously. This woman was not threatened. She thought someone MAYBE broke in and was pissed and wanted to kill them in retaliation. That’s not a mistake, that’s violent person reacting accordingly.

The consequences of making incredibly foolish choices with a gun that robs an innocent of his life man can’t be “Damn, I guess it’s time for a career change and a bit of probation!” and hoping tax payer dollars will shut the families up. Citizens get probation and lose they jobs when they are busted doing recreational drugs that harm no one. It sends the message that making sure police don’t face any jail time is far more important than civilians lives.

that part is key.

A citizen is required to identify a threat before shooting someone and claiming justification.

A soldier, even in an active war zone is required to identify between civilians and combatants and identify a threat before shooting someone and claiming justification.

Police are literally held to the absolute lowest standard. No threat, no weapon, no anything need be identified if the officer just says they feared for their life.

It's wrong.

 

[Strychnine]

Doesn’t matter, BLM will want blood.

They are pissed that a black cop went to jail for shooting a white woman in Minnesota.

Damn the facts. Race based justice will be the new America. Justice will be slain for their satisfaction

Yup, it's a fact that a man is dead because he was just chilling out at his own home...

Yup..

Damn the facts...

 

[Happy Man]

Yup, it's a fact that a man is dead because he was just chilling out at his own home...

Yup..

Dam the facts...

Yeah that’s terrible. A crime was committed. Someone’s going to jail. For what’s the maximum? 20 years?

She should be in jail, but the murder charge is bogus, and if and when she isn’t convicted bc the DA did a politically motivated overreach that is to satiate the voting bloc.

 

[jamesmiller14]

I agree on the psych vetting. I would support transferring money from our bloated military budget to the police to find things like this and more training. Perhaps better salaries to attract smarter folks and make hiring more selective.

I just really think she needs at least a couple years behind bars. On her 911 call she never says “I thought he had a weapon, I thought I was in danger, he came towards me” just “l thought this was my crib! Damn I’m fucked”. This cowboy police behavior of feeling, even in situations where they aren’t in danger, that they are free to literally take confused shoots in the dark instead of retreating to assess the situation is getting innocent folks killed. It needs to be addressed very seriously. This woman was not threatened. She thought someone MAYBE broke in and was pissed and wanted to kill them in retaliation. That’s not a mistake, that’s violent person reacting accordingly.

The consequences of making incredibly foolish choices with a gun that robs an innocent of his life man can’t be “Damn, I guess it’s time for a career change and a bit of probation!” and hoping tax payer dollars will shut the families up. Citizens get probation and lose they jobs when they are busted doing recreational drugs that harm no one. It sends the message that making sure police don’t face any jail time is far more important than civilians lives.

It's hard to disagree with this. I see why logic and both arguments. I will say this, I spent six months in Dallas Fort Worth area last year and even though I'm not a police officer, I can see the types of a potentially deal with.

Just based on what I saw with my own eyes while I was there... I wouldn't want to be a cop anywhere near that area. I might be tempted to carry a gun in that area especially if I were a police officer that knows exactly the underbelly of that region. It's a dangerous place to even drive your car.