Dagestani/Chechens vs BJJ

[fishNjits]

I’m just underscoring how something like Combat Sambo is a better preparation for MMA than most competitive jiu-jitsu. I don’t mind pure submission competition, but if a bunch of BJJ rooted fighters wonder why they’re not succeeding enough in MMA versus Russians, they can look to how they compete in their mother art.

Combat Sambo isn’t prepararation for MMA, it is MMA.

How many Sport Sambo guys are there that are in the UFC?

 

[fishNjits]

Glover Texeira, Charlie Olives and Brandon Moreno stopped by to say hello.

 

[Coconutwater]

Combat Sambo isn’t prepararation for MMA, it is MMA.

How many Sport Sambo guys are there that are in the UFC?

I didn’t mention sport sambo, I’m saying combat sambo is good prep for MMA, because it’s almost MMA but doesn’t allow knees against an opponent while they’re shooting, plus the extra pads and gi top are not MMA features. It’s excellent prep for MMA because it practically is MMA. But… not MMA.

 

[fishNjits]

I didn’t mention sport sambo, I’m saying combat sambo is good prep for MMA, because it’s almost MMA but doesn’t allow knees against an opponent while they’re shooting, plus the extra pads and gi top are not MMA features. It’s excellent prep for MMA because it practically is MMA. But… not MMA.

So, practicing something like MMA is better prep for MMA than something that is part of MMA? Genius.
Seriously though, is something like Combat Sambo better preparation than something like Muy Thai? Karate? Judo?

A better comparison would be Combat Sambo versus some guy who went to an MMA gym his entire life. That's apples to apples.

 

[Coconutwater]

So, practicing something like MMA is better prep for MMA than something that is part of MMA? Genius.
Seriously though, is something like Combat Sambo better preparation than something like Muy Thai? Karate? Judo?

A better comparison would be Combat Sambo versus some guy who went to an MMA gym his entire life. That's apples to apples.

Look, people are asking why Dagestani and Russians kick butt, the combat sambo preps them
better than most countless. America has MMA gyms, and good wrestling, but the wrestling and Combat Samho of Russia seems to be a more formidable mix.

 

[fishNjits]

Could be, although besides Khabib we haven't had a UFC champion from there.
My point really is why pick on BJJ?

I love BJJ, but I don't think it's a complete combat system.

 

[SummerStriker]

Could be, although besides Khabib we haven't had a UFC champion from there.
My point really is why pick on BJJ?

I love BJJ, but I don't think it's a complete combat system.

Some people are special. Khabib was groomed with bear wrestling when he was little, and is a different kind of person anyway. If he had lived in Colorado and his dad had him wrestling bears here, maybe he would still become champion.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

Could be, although besides Khabib we haven't had a UFC champion from there.
My point really is why pick on BJJ?

I love BJJ, but I don't think it's a complete combat system.

YOU dont see.

The Russian MMA promotions are paying good and are full of Sambo/ Wrestling guys.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Also there is a huge diference from being poor, rough and disciplined and poor, rough and wild and degenerate (like a lot of Brazillians from the favelas).

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Point 2:
Those gyms are usually registered with the national Judo, Sambo and Wrestling federations, meaning they compete in all 3.
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I keep on hearing that but it was never confirmed. I trust that you know your shit. It explains why guys like Islam, Khabib and Chimaev have competed in all 3 and are notorious for blending the various aspects of stand-up grappling, as opposed to a Colby (IMO a great fighter BTW) who seems to always stick to the same kind of attacks.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

I keep on hearing that but it was never confirmed. I trust that you know your shit. It explains why guys like Islam, Khabib and Chimaev have competed in all 3 and are notorious for blending the various aspects of stand-up grappling, as opposed to a Colby (IMO a great fighter BTW) who seems to always stick to the same kind of attacks.

Its a standard practice in these parts or the world, since federation members get subsidies for medalists.

So, if your athletes are registered in various sports federations, compete, and are successful, they get paid.

As simple as that.

If you didn't had it confirmed till now, I can testify for that:
My club is registered with the Judo, Sambo, Wrestling, Sumo and a few other federations.

If someone is exceptionally good in one style, he gets recruited to the national team.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Its a standard practice in these parts or the world, since federation members get subsidies for medalists.

So, if your athletes are registered in various sports federations, compete, and are successful, they get paid.

As simple as that.

If you didn't had it confirmed till now, I can testify for that:
My club is registered with the Judo, Sambo, Wrestling, Sumo and a few other federations.

If someone is exceptionally good in one style, he gets recruited to the national team.

And do you also have success in other disciplines despite specialising in sambo? Are there "generalist clubs" where judo Sambo and wrestling are taught equally?

 

[Grappler111]

In Russia under wrestling federation you have freestyle wrestling, greco roman wrestling, grappling nogi, grappling gi and pankration. All UWW styles but not all countries have a strong support by the national wrestling federation for non Olympic wrestling styles.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

And do you also have success in other disciplines despite specialising in sambo? Are there "generalist clubs" where judo Sambo and wrestling are taught equally?

I run programs for Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, Sub Grappling, MMA, Wrestling and Kickboxing.

Due to Covid, this year my guys didnt get much of competition, but in 2022 we are opening the year with the Sumo nationals, and take it from there.

So far, all my competitor students, in all countries Ive coached, have competed in at least 3 different sports, with success.

Almost all of the athletes rotate, on specific curriculum, to get well versed in all of the above (MMA and Kickboxing excluded).

Several of the clubs in Bulgaria, producing top athletes, for the national teams of Sambo, Judo and Wrestling, run the classes parallel and rotate, according to competition calendar.

Example:
The 10 x World champion in Sambo, Maria Oreshkova, is also national team member of the Judo and Wrestling squads, and medalled in them as well.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I run programs for Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, Sub Grappling, MMA, Wrestling and Kickboxing.

Due to Covid, this year my guys didnt get much of competition, but in 2022 we are opening the year with the Sumo nationals, and take it from there.

So far, all my competitor students, in all countries Ive coached, have competed in at least 3 different sports, with success.

Almost all of the athletes rotate, on specific curriculum, to get well versed in all of the above (MMA and Kickboxing excluded).

Several of the clubs in Bulgaria, producing top athletes, for the national teams of Sambo, Judo and Wrestling, run the classes parallel and rotate, according to competition calendar.

Example:
The 10 x World champion in Sambo, Maria Oreshkova, is also national team member of the Judo and Wrestling squads, and medalled in them as well.

That's insane. And how does this work concretely, do you split the mat in 3 for judo wrestling sambo ? Or you have dedicated days? Wouldn't a guy who does only one art be better at it than guys who do all 3 equally ? This is actually very counter intuitive to me.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

That's insane. And how does this work concretely, do you split the mat in 3 for judo wrestling sambo ? Or you have dedicated days? Wouldn't a guy who does only one art be better at it than guys who do all 3 equally ? This is actually very counter intuitive to me.

No, I have separated classes for all the styles.

Competitors go through all classes, not simultaneously of course.

So, if a new member joins in, Id estimate his game, and plan ahead of what he needs to improve in takedowns, pins, ground game or conditioning.

Then we address those areas.

Membership in my club is not by sports, but by number of attendance weekly, so one can go to any class he wants (Jiujitsu, Sambo, Judo, Wrestling, MMA and etc) or to the classes I direct him/her.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

That's insane. And how does this work concretely, do you split the mat in 3 for judo wrestling sambo ? Or you have dedicated days? Wouldn't a guy who does only one art be better at it than guys who do all 3 equally ? This is actually very counter intuitive to me.

A guy who does great in one art, can focus only on it, if he wants.

I dont force people to do all.

I do have a few guys who only wrestle Greco, or only do Judo, Sambo, Jiujitsu.

I do make all of them spar under different rule sets though, on Saturday open mat, where everyone comes

 

[yetanother]

BJJ vs wrestling & mma at UWW grappling.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

A guy who does great in one art, can focus only on it, if he wants.

I dont force people to do all.

I do have a few guys who only wrestle Greco, or only do Judo, Sambo, Jiujitsu.

I do make all of them spar under different rule sets though, on Saturday open mat, where everyone comes

That's really cool. So is your club for profit? You mentioned that clubs have an interest in making their guys compete in national competition because this is when you get money? Can you describe how it works? Like you will receive x per silver medal, y per gold medal, etc.?

I live in Germany and here all judo and wrestling is "associations". I.e. not for profit. I don't think that clubs get paid by anyone if the get medals, except maybe at a high level.

 

[Ivaylo Ivanov]

That's really cool. So is your club for profit? You mentioned that clubs have an interest in making their guys compete in national competition because this is when you get money? Can you describe how it works? Like you will receive x per silver medal, y per gold medal, etc.?

I live in Germany and here all judo and wrestling is "associations". I.e. not for profit. I don't think that clubs get paid by anyone if the get medals, except maybe at a high level.

I will let you in on a secret:

None of the stuff I do in combat sports, is my main source of income.

Hence, I dont really care about the profit, as long as the bills are paid.

As for the sports club, by definition, its a nonprofit entity.

Medalists get paid by sport ministry, according to their placement in tournaments of the federation.