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Great thread by the way TS.
Even if you removed Randleman, it would still be 3 fights in that span against good competition, same as Strikeforce.
I’m not trying to be difficult here btw, I’m being sincere. If fighting 3 good fighters in 13 months counts as consistently fighting top competition like you say about the Strikeforce run, then it needs to count every time Fedor did that in his career. That’s all I’m saying.
I totally agree that it’s easier to put together a long win streak if less than stellar comp is included. But you are indicating it has a bearing on how well he performed against good competition— like somehow it’s easier to beat the Nogs, Hunts, and Mirkos of the world if there’s a TK or Nagata fight sandwiched in there too, and that’s what I’m not following.
I get that we disagree, but do you at least see where it coming from? Am I making sense here lol?
Whoa there tiger, now you’re changing the topic. What percentage of Fedor’s record those fights make up is not what we’ve been discussing.I understand what you're saying, of course, but it seems like excuses or a rationalization. Replace TK, Valavicious, Nagata, Ogawa, Zulu, and Lindland with let's say....Couture, JDS, Barnett, Cain, Overeem, or Mir (Mir that finished Nog 2x) - and how does his record look? Everybody fought more frequently back then, especially the PRIDE guys. That's no special feet exclusive to Fedor either, and there's no rationalization that can excuse the #1 HW in the world from fighting unranked and freakshows 70% of the time. Nada, my dude.
Whoa there tiger, now you’re changing the topic. What percentage of Fedor’s record those fights make up is not what we’ve been discussing.
The issue was:
1. did Fedor fight good competition as often as fighters do today? Or put another way: 2. Is the Strikeforce run the first time he consistently faced good competition?
The answer to the first question is yes, Fedor fought good competition as often as people do now. That’s easy to prove.
For number #2, the answer is no, Strikeforce was not the first time he did that. It doesn’t matter if you define consistent as “3 good/ranked opponents in a 13 month span,” or “3 good/ranked opponents in a row with no squashes in between”— no matter which way you define it, Fedor did it successfully before Strikeforce.
There’s no excuses present in anything I just said, just straight up facts about his record my friend.
Fair enough, we’ll let this topic dieWell, neither of those were really the topic to me. My statement is him going only 50% the first time in his career that he faced 6 top 10 opponents in a row, and him going 3-1 the very first time he ever faced 4 in a row. That equates to a lower performance when consistently facing top 10 opponents. Your rationalization is his fight frequency with top fighters mixed in with non top fighters. That's not really the premise. What I mean by consistently is exactly that...consistently. Mixing in an Ogata or Zulu is not consistently fighting top 10 guys.
I know you know what I mean, and I get what you're saying. Let's not turn this thread into a Fedor debate, that's honestly not what the thread is about. I plan to keep it updated over time and would like to see how the numbers change.
So... you want more examples?Right, and both of those guys are outliers. Isn't Jon the youngest champ ever?
So... you want more examples?
Benson Henderson's longest ufc win streak which includes winning and defending the title multiple times was stopped in those years I replied about too.
Shogun became a walking corpse at the years mentioned too(i don't wanna hear excuses about how hard they used to go there at his gym)
I think I can stop now with the examples... I was basically replying to a guy(can't be bother to check if ur the same guy) who didn't even give any examples. Just made up a statistic.
I think whenever somebody makes such a bald claim(or any claim like that for that matter), they should bring 4 or 5 examples. and it should only take 2 examples to nullify it if there was no argument to begin with.
No he’s not.Cejudo is 32, but yes, I concur.
Also be ready to add Glovers age to that list.
He was on a mish. If he beats Jiri and then rematches and beats Jan thats pretty incredible. Glad to see the Pit get another champReading through the thread and realized you called that shit.
Mystic Machine Gun!!