Cuban Boxing Fundamentals

[ShadowoftheSun]

This is a really interesting perspective on when to clench your fists, and I think it makes a lot of sense. Just wanted to comment on it.

 

[SandisLL]

Well, I think there a lot depends from fighter.
Some might close fist very fast, some no.
Soviet instruction basis were not from point fighting am boxing, it was only later tailored to ammy scoring rules. In 50 ies it was more like close to U.K pro boxing from 30 ies, rather than 1980 - later era am boxing.
In short, it was KO/KD boxing tailored for am rules later and so on.



For da tech street I opted to close fist as late as it is possible cos plenty of reasons.
I can't open hand very quickly and I can close fist damn fast. Plus if there necessity to apply grip etc, time does matters and open hands techniques too does exists (not in boxing ).
While if lad can't close fist enough fast, I don't advise to like I did for SD.
Another reason might be: with open hands or half closed fists you might talk with ppl and don't look on CCTV as aggressive threat. It does matters.

For sport I more opted to close earlier but completely stress in the end of punch.

 

[Gym Turtle]

@Dexter do you have any resources regarding the way that Dmitry Bivol throws his punches and the footwork associated with it? His hooks don't have the same circular motion that Frolov teaches and he kinda "pushes" his straight shots out.

 

[zumbulare]

@Dexter do you have any resources regarding the way that Dmitry Bivol throws his punches and the footwork associated with it? His hooks don't have the same circular motion that Frolov teaches and he kinda "pushes" his straight shots out.

i always wondered about Bivol’s techniques way he moves and throws punches is different than
most of other boxers

 

[Stuart0502]

AndyMaBobs, IIRC, you're a thaiboxing coach? Are you interested in some "russian-style" muay thai training videos? I practiced MT for about a year, and my former trainer has a good YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/KLETKAclub/videos. He often combines elements from soviet boxing training in his sessions.

Are subtitles available?

 

[Dexter]

 

[Dexter]

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Bivol left his trainer, Isaev, so he’ll go down eventually, mark my words. His new coach in professionals sucks badly, after a fight with Smith-jr. it’s as clear as day. Bivol made all possible mistakes he could and was nearly KO’d in 10th round.

I couldnt find amy info off google for his trainer. Do you know if he's still working with the american guy from a couple years back?

 

[Dexter]

I couldnt find amy info off google for his trainer. Do you know if he's still working with the american guy from a couple years back?

He's still working with the Russian guy. Just not the one who coached him through his amateur career.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

He's still working with the Russian guy. Just not the one who coached him through his amateur career.

Okay I assumed Bivol left Isaev for an American trainer. Why would he leave a good Russian trainer for a shitty Russian trainer? Do you know if it was a personal issue, business related, etc?

 

[Dexter]

Okay I assumed Bivol left Isaev for an American trainer. Why would he leave a good Russian trainer for a shitty Russian trainer? Do you know if it was a personal issue, business related, etc?

Isaev is dead now.
But Bivol left him before because there was some shady stuff in Russian amateur boxing Federation.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Isaev is dead now.
But Bivol left him before because there was some shady stuff in Russian amateur boxing Federation.

Sad to hear about Isaev he seemed like a Real trainer in a sea of phonies and half assers. I guess in Russia its always hard to distance yourself from shady stuff if you want to be part of the amateur system.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

"I have a good old Soviet textbook on boxing by Degtariov if I remember the name correctly (don't have it to hand), translated into Spanish for the Cubans."

"To frosty-G
If you have a book by Digtryaev that would be great.
He submitted an article in Soviet sports review(Michael Yessis phd)
about strength training for boxing in different ages and qualification levels."

@Dexter I saw this convo on boxingscene's forum when looking up soviet russian strength and conditioning info. Do you know anything about this author Degtariov/Digtryaev?

 

[StopDucking]

2 European amateurs go to Cuba to attend a private training camp. Very informative stuff:

 

[Dexter]

"I have a good old Soviet textbook on boxing by Degtariov if I remember the name correctly (don't have it to hand), translated into Spanish for the Cubans."

"To frosty-G
If you have a book by Digtryaev that would be great.
He submitted an article in Soviet sports review(Michael Yessis phd)
about strength training for boxing in different ages and qualification levels."

@Dexter I saw this convo on boxingscene's forum when looking up soviet russian strength and conditioning info. Do you know anything about this author Degtariov/Digtryaev?

I didn’t read it personally but Degtyarev was a known boxing specialist from Ukrainian SSR https://infosport.ru/person/boks/degtyarev-igor-petrovich, so seems like 100% legit stuff.

DEGTYAREV Igor Petrovich (06.11.1936 - 01.07.2011) is a graduate of the Lviv State Institute of Physical Culture (1959).

Specialist in the field of boxing theory and methodology, fundamentals of the theory and methodology of sports training.

Doctor of Pedagogical Sciences (1988). Professor (1989).

Full member of the International Academy of Informatization (1995).

Corresponding member of the International Slavic Academy (1995).

Honorary Master of Sports of the USSR (boxing, 1960).

Prize-winner of the USSR championships (1957-1958).

Multiple champion of Ukraine (1957-1964).

Member of the Research Commission of the World Amateur Boxing Association (1991).

Chairman of the Scientific and Methodological Commission of the USSR Boxing Federation (1984).

Deputy Chairman of the USSR Boxing Federation (1990-1991).

Professor of the Department of Theory and Methodology of Boxing and Kickboxing of the Russian State Academy of Physical Culture.

He has 2 copyright certificates for inventions: "A device for measuring the power of a boxer's blows" (1976, co-author), "A device for training boxers" (1988, co-author).

He has published more than 180 scientific papers, including the monograph "Training of boxers" (1985), "Explanatory Dictionary of Sports terms" (1993, co-author); textbook "Boxing" (1979, editor and co-author); encyclopedia "Boxing" (1998, co-author).

He was awarded the bronze medal of VDNH (1975).

Awarded the AIBA Medal of Honor (1989).

He died on July 1, 2011.

He was buried at the Nikolo-Arkhangelsk cemetery of the Balashikha district of the Moscow region.

 

[ShadowoftheSun]

This thread is the best thread in the standup forum and I don't want to let it die.

As such, here's a video from an English-Cuban boxing instructor on the the cross.



I'm posting this video because I really like the way he shows two methods of stepping for throwing a cross while moving backwards - ipsilateral and contralateral. My general approach to things is that the more valid options you have in how you do something the better, so it's nice to look at the two options.

 

[Marko Atanasovik]

Synchronization of defensive and offensive with rhythmic movement and change of directions and angles. When you stay in the center, you do more blocks from which you shift the center of gravity, all the time preparing certain movements from which you will look for a counter or a change of angles and an exit from the central line. Let's take for example Lomachenko, who is almost a perfect fighter, but unlike the Cuban school, when he works from the back foot and puts the accent on the defensive, then his volume falls out. While the Cubans do not leave out the volume while moving backwards, they are quite dangerous in those situations.

One of many examples. Dangerous from all directions and yet defensively covered.

 

[StopDucking]

I'm trying to find a video I saw somebody post earlier this year (maybe @Dexter ?). It was a 30-min video of Russian amatteur boxers hitting the bag and doing conditioning exercises in a big gym. Does anyone have the link?

 

[Sinister]

I'm trying to find a video I saw somebody post earlier this year (maybe @Dexter ?). It was a 30-min video of Russian amatteur boxers hitting the bag and doing conditioning exercises in a big gym. Does anyone have the link?

I think it's in my thread homie.

 

[StopDucking]

I think it's in my thread homie.

Oh yeah, thanks.

It’s scary how good those motherfuckers look. Imagine all of them going to another gym on open-sparring day.