Social CRT (Critical Race Theory) Megathread, Vol.1

[Islam Imamate]

I hold a B.S. in Econ and am currently pursuing my M.S. in Applied Econ.

This is simply incorrect. There are arguments in Econ, and different schools of thought. No one with any level of competence in the field is arguing for Communism. No models support the superiority of the approach. "Communists" are not not economists, they are historians, social activists, hucksters, and various other people attempting to make massive assertations that are directly contrary to all available evidence.

In short; they speak of what "should be" in their minds, and not "what is" in the world. They are to Economics what Creationists are to Biology.
Or you get the jokers who are selling sh!t to suckers, like Yanis Varoufakis ... the "Libertarian Marxist". That's an anarchist label. (Spoiler: He's a politician)

That's exactly my point, you're just not going to find a credible "America First" POV on African American studies. Trump's 1776 commission didn't even include any historians and was universally criticized by actual historians.

 

[shockaholic12]

This is pure fantasy. No one on the right wants to stop teaching about slavery and Jim Crow. You have absolutely no evidence of this. Anyone who is defending this AP course which includes queer theory and then trying to turn it around as trying to erase black history is a clown that cannot be reasoned with.

No, anyone trying to ban a class that families choose as an elective is a huge pussy. If you're that triggered by queer theory don't put your kid in the class instead of throwing a bitch fit and trying to tell everyone else what they can and can't learn.

Literally every book in florida classrooms are now currently being considered banned till censors can come through it. They have literally shuttered the book shelves in classrooms because apparently now all books are considered a threat to white people until DeSantis' censors can deem the thoughts inside them safe for straight white folks to endure.

Imagine showing up to school and all the books in your classroom are locked up because some politician is using identify politics to get your parents to screech about them. I've really never seen adults act like bigger pussies in my life than this.


Note conservative educators have called for books to be banned because they reference segregation from like 70 years ago.

 

[IamStryker]

No, anyone trying to ban a class that families choose as an elective is a huge pussy. If you're that triggered by queer theory don't put your kid in the class instead of throwing a bitch fit and trying to tell everyone else what they can and can't learn.

Literally every book in florida classrooms are now currently being considered banned till censors can come through it. They have literally shuttered the book shelves in classrooms because apparently now all books are considered a threat to white people until DeSantis' censors can deem the thoughts inside them safe for straight white folks to endure.

Imagine showing up to school and all the books in your classroom are locked up because some politician is using identify politics to get your parents to screech about them. I've really never seen adults act like bigger pussies in my life than this.


Note conservative educators have called for books to be banned because they reference segregation from like 70 years ago.

Queer theory activism has no place in a public high school and saying peoppe against it are trying to keep slavery from being taught are lying.

 

[shockaholic12]

Queer theory activism has no place in a public high school and saying peoppe against it are trying to keep slavery from being taught are lying.

If you think an elective shouldn't be part of your kids schooling here's a thought, don't enroll them it you dumb bitch lol.

Florida classrooms currently have their bookshelves under lock and key from children because you guys are being huge pussies and all are considered dangerous till deemed racially acceptable. Conservative educators in Florida are recommending hundreds of books be banned for mentioning segregation in the 50s and male penguins raising an egg together. You guys jumped the shark.

 

[IamStryker]

If you think an elective shouldn't be part of your kids schooling here's a thought, don't enroll them it you dumb bitch lol.

Florida classrooms currently have their bookshelves under lock and key from children because you guys are being huge pussies and all are considered dangerous till deemed racially acceptable. Conservative educators in Florida are recommending hundreds of books be banned for mentioning segregation in the 50s and male penguins raising an egg together. You guys jumped the shark.

Cool story. Your far left activism has no place in a public highschool. Same with your gender identity nonsense. Being an elective doesn't change that.

The book problem wouldn't exist if leftists weren't smuggling in their garbage. "Mentioning segregation" I don't believe you. But I can prove there are lefty books with pornographic content.

 

[HereticBD]

If you think an elective shouldn't be part of your kids schooling here's a thought, don't enroll them it you dumb bitch lol.

Florida classrooms currently have their bookshelves under lock and key from children because you guys are being huge pussies and all are considered dangerous till deemed racially acceptable. Conservative educators in Florida are recommending hundreds of books be banned for mentioning segregation in the 50s and male penguins raising an egg together. You guys jumped the shark.

Tell us, guy who lives in LA. Did you throw this big of a shit fit, when some California schools were banning, among others, "To Kill A Mockingbird", for their "problematic" language?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no, no you didn't.

 

[shockaholic12]

Tell us, guy who lives in LA. Did you throw this big of a shit fit, when some California schools were banning, among others, "To Kill A Mockingbird", for their "problematic" language?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no, no you didn't.

1 book being banned in 1 school district in 1 city in Cali did not get the same reaction from me as Florida locking up all it's schools bookshelves in all it's cities for all it's grades and banning an elective class, no.

Almost like effects of these two things have a completely different magnitude.

 

[HereticBD]

1 book being banned in 1 school district in 1 city in Cali did not get the same reaction from me as Florida locking up all it's schools bookshelves in all it's cities for all it's grades and banning an elective class, no.

Almost like effects of these two things have a completely different magnitude.

Nah, it's almost like you're just a typical hypocrite. These are your predictable opinions on this matter, depending on which side it's coming from:

1) Liberals complain about "problematic" material and get it removed from schools:

You: "Like, umm, why do you guys, like, even care n' stuff? LOL. Imagine getting mad over this. You can still read it. Nobody is banning you from reading anything."

2) Conservatives complain about "problematic" material and get it removed from schools:

You: "Literally fascism. This is all pussy ass conservatives do! All they do is ban things that upset them! Fight the power!"


You're a fucking meme.

 

[shockaholic12]

Nah, it's almost like you're just a typical hypocrite. These are your predictable opinions on this matter, depending on which side it's coming from:

1) Liberals complain about "problematic" material and get it removed from schools:

You: "Like, umm, why do you guys, like, even care n' stuff? LOL. Imagine getting mad over this. You can still read it. Nobody is banning you from reading anything."

2) Conservatives complain about "problematic" material and get it removed from schools:

You: "Literally fascism. This is all pussy ass conservatives do! All they do is ban things that upset them! Fight the power!"


You're a fucking meme.

1) Burbank isn't that liberal of a city and the school board voted to remove it not "liberals". You tried to make it sound like this was a thing in all of California when it was really just one school board and then tried to compare it to all of Florida. Big whiff lol.

2) Currently all books are removed from Florida schools across the state, they literally are covering their bookshelves and locking kids out because the victim narrative is so strong every book could be a threat and banning classes their kids don't even have to take. This is some historic pussy shit from adults in Florida.

 

[Denter]

I didn't posit anything about only one side being uncomfortable. What I said is that one side doesn't want to have the conversations at all. One side is fine having the conversation, warts and all. The other side wants to avoid the conversation.

Are you sure about that?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

While I am opposed to CRT I am all for an even mandatory Black history class in high school.

Other than that why not just keep school to learning the basics like... math, science, reading/writing ,history , health, bio etc. Keep things CRT and stop promoting LGBT culture in school. I am all for tolerance n to co exist I am strongly against promoting that lifestyle at such a young age n messing with kids minds.


The case of Desantis trying to ban a AP black history class isn't true. Everyone was fine with 75% of it was great. It's the last 25% that was compleley liberal agenda driven that was the problem..

Can we ever be real about what school is? It isn't just for "the basics". It never has been. It isn't just a place where you do math problems and learn the alphabet. It's a place where you spend your formative years with a bunch of other humans, preparing yourselves for society and the adult world. This idea that there are these topics that are just off the table for discussion is silly. Especially when no distinction is being made between talking about something, and promoting it.

This is where the whole "Don't say gay" bill narrative comes from because the mere mention of certain topics turns into "you are promoting/trying to make people be gay/trans/hate America/feel guilty/etc."
Should there be gay PRIDE parades in school? No.
But, that gay people exist, have a history and experience in this country that has had an impact, and is worthy of conversation isn't remotely the same thing, nor is it "promoting the LGBT lifestyle"...whatever that means.
There is a valid conversation/debate to be had on how something is taught, but all that is going on here is a bunch of fearmongering and abandonment of critical thinking by way of falsely labeling everything as CRT and liberal agenda.

 

[IamStryker]

Nah, it's almost like you're just a typical hypocrite. These are your predictable opinions on this matter, depending on which side it's coming from:

1) Liberals complain about "problematic" material and get it removed from schools:

You: "Like, umm, why do you guys, like, even care n' stuff? LOL. Imagine getting mad over this. You can still read it. Nobody is banning you from reading anything."

2) Conservatives complain about "problematic" material and get it removed from schools:

You: "Literally fascism. This is all pussy ass conservatives do! All they do is ban things that upset them! Fight the power!"


You're a fucking meme.

I'm curious if lefties are OK with Matt Walsh books being in highschools.

 

[IamStryker]

Can we ever be real about what school is? It isn't just for "the basics". It never has been. It isn't just a place where you do math problems and learn the alphabet. It's a place where you spend your formative years with a bunch of other humans, preparing yourselves for society and the adult world. This idea that there are these topics that are just off the table for discussion is silly. Especially when no distinction is being made between talking about something, and promoting it.

This is where the whole "Don't say gay" bill narrative comes from because the mere mention of certain topics turns into "you are promoting/trying to make people be gay/trans/hate America/feel guilty/etc."
Should there be gay PRIDE parades in school? No.
But, that gay people exist, have a history and experience in this country that has had an impact, and is worthy of conversation isn't remotely the same thing, nor is it "promoting the LGBT lifestyle"...whatever that means.
There is a valid conversation/debate to be had on how something is taught, but all that is going on here is a bunch of fearmongering and abandonment of critical thinking by way of falsely labeling everything as CRT and liberal agenda.

Well you agree that pride parades shouldn't be in schools and that's a great starting point. I have a feeling no one on the left is going to agree with you. Probably label you a bigot for saying that at all.

I think it might have been possible to cover certain topics in a non bias manner but at this point I don't see it as being possible. Lefties literally want to teach queer theory to Highschool students. It doesn't get more politically biased than that.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Well you agree that pride parades shouldn't be in schools and that's a great starting point. I have a feeling no one on the left is going to agree with you. Probably label you a bigot for saying that at all.

I think it might have been possible to cover certain topics in a non bias manner but at this point I don't see it as being possible. Lefties literally want to teach queer theory to Highschool students. It doesn't get more politically biased than that.

You can't see it as being possible because like a lot of people in these discussions, your starting point is "the left..../the right....." , and your ending point is "is bad/is good". It's far too simplistic.
Reasonable conversations can't happen when there aren't reasonable people around to have them.
If you were able to actually sit down and have a good faith conversation with others on the left, I don't think I would be in the minority on Pride parades in school. But the discussion needs to get to something deeper than 'good/bad, left/right' to get to that point.

Things like PRIDE parades in school are a direct result of anti-gay rhetoric and acts. While I think Pride celebrations should have no place in school, I do understand why they are promoted there because a gay kid has a higher likelihood of self harm and suicide. It's a place where they would be bullied and probably receive the most mental damage--so it can also be a place where they could get support and help.
In an ideal world, I think it shouldn't exist in a school, but, we don't live in an ideal world, so, again, I understand its existence..and while I disagree with it, it isn't some evil, cartoonish, indoctrination attempt that rightwingers would try to paint it as.

Reasonable conversations can't happen when just saying a word triggers people to make strawmen arguments. You guys hear the word 'queer' and your brains shut off. Just saying the word queer is a non-starter for you lot.
If you actually knew about any of these topics it'd be clear to see that there is a plethora of educational and beneficial topics that can be taught, learned, and thought about.
Queer studies isn't the same thing as having a Pride parade in school. And the Pride parade isn't even about "promoting a gay lifestyle" as it is about giving support to a vulnerable group during a sensitive time. (puberty)

 

[IamStryker]

You can't see it as being possible because like a lot of people in these discussions, your starting point is "the left..../the right....." , and your ending point is "is bad/is good". It's far too simplistic.
Reasonable conversations can't happen when there aren't reasonable people around to have them.
If you were able to actually sit down and have a good faith conversation with others on the left, I don't think I would be in the minority on Pride parades in school. But the discussion needs to get to something deeper than 'good/bad, left/right' to get to that point.

Things like PRIDE parades in school are a direct result of anti-gay rhetoric and acts. While I think Pride celebrations should have no place in school, I do understand why they are promoted there because a gay kid has a higher likelihood of self harm and suicide. It's a place where they would be bullied and probably receive the most mental damage--so it can also be a place where they could get support and help.
In an ideal world, I think it shouldn't exist in a school, but, we don't live in an ideal world, so, again, I understand its existence..and while I disagree with it, it isn't some evil, cartoonish, indoctrination attempt that rightwingers would try to paint it as.

Reasonable conversations can't happen when just saying a word triggers people to make strawmen arguments. You guys hear the word 'queer' and your brains shut off. Just saying the word queer is a non-starter for you lot.
If you actually knew about any of these topics it'd be clear to see that there is a plethora of educational and beneficial topics that can be taught, learned, and thought about.
Queer studies isn't the same thing as having a Pride parade in school. And the Pride parade isn't even about "promoting a gay lifestyle" as it is about giving support to a vulnerable group during a sensitive time. (puberty)

You would 100% be in the minority on Pride Parades in schools when discussing this with leftists. I can't believe you would actually think otherwise.

No I don't think most leftists are "evil cartoonish". Most of them I think believe what they are advocating for is the moral thing. I do not see these people advocating for pride parades in school just to support gay people. A huge focus is on trans kids which in effect promotes the gender identity ideology.

I would love to see compromise to help move on from these big fights but I do not see reasonable compromise coming from the left.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

You would 100% be in the minority on Pride Parades in schools when discussing this with leftists. I can't believe you would actually think otherwise.

No I don't think most leftists are "evil cartoonish". Most of them I think believe what they are advocating for is the moral thing. I do not see these people advocating for pride parades in school just to support gay people. A huge focus is on trans kids which in effect promotes the gender identity ideology.

I would love to see compromise to help move on from these big fights but I do not see reasonable compromise coming from the left.

You're proving my point because you tend to just look at these things in black and white.
If you just said "Hey lefty, Pride parades in school ----yes or no?" Of course you're not going to get an intelligent response to that.
But, ideally, most people would say they don't want a world where they think there is a need for a Pride parade at a school. You have to factor in context and what the whole argument is about. You're not going to get real answers on anything when you boil everything down into simply good and bad. It isn't a simple yes/no.

The trans stuff is the same as the gay stuff, and it's the same as all of this culture war stuff. The thing you attack most vehemently will be defended most vehemently.
It's the same play every time: The left says some issue exists (climate, trans, gays, racism, etc) , the right says that thing is evil/wrong/against god/not true/lib agenda, etc, and then you're going to get a strong reaction from the left that leads to the crazy.
No reasonable conversation or compromise can come from that when your immediate reaction is to dismiss every thing that is said.

 

[IamStryker]

You're proving my point because you tend to just look at these things in black and white.
If you just said "Hey lefty, Pride parades in school ----yes or no?" Of course you're not going to get an intelligent response to that.
But, ideally, most people would say they don't want a world where they think there is a need for a Pride parade at a school. You have to factor in context and what the whole argument is about. You're not going to get real answers on anything when you boil everything down into simply good and bad. It isn't a simple yes/no.

The trans stuff is the same as the gay stuff, and it's the same as all of this culture war stuff. The thing you attack most vehemently will be defended most vehemently.
It's the same play every time: The left says some issue exists (climate, trans, gays, racism, etc) , the right says that thing is evil/wrong/against god/not true/lib agenda, etc, and then you're going to get a strong reaction from the left that leads to the crazy.
No reasonable conversation or compromise can come from that when your immediate reaction is to dismiss every thing that is said.

I don't know where you are getting that I am only black/white. I said what my issue with pride parades is and you seem to be dismissing it completely. I do want to see compromise but I think the extreme sides are not willing to budge.

I'm all ears on how you think the right should react to gender identity being pushed in schools. When you take an extreme position you are going to get big pushback. Show me left wing activists that want to compromise. I haven't seen any.

 

[panamaican]

Are you sure about that?

As sure as anyone can be when discussing a topic and group as broad as this.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I don't know where you are getting that I am only black/white. I said what my issue with pride parades is and you seem to be dismissing it completely. I do want to see compromise but I think the extreme sides are not willing to budge.

I'm all ears on how you think the right should react to gender identity being pushed in schools. When you take an extreme position you are going to get big pushback. Show me left wing activists that want to compromise. I haven't seen any.

I didn't dismiss what your issue with pride parades was. We didn't really discuss what your issue was beyond agreeing that they shouldn't be in schools. But that they shouldn't be in schools isn't the end of the conversation.
Your 'black and white' thinking comes in because you don't acknowledge the context and WHY behind what I/the left think. You and I agree that Pride parades shouldn't be in school, but not for the same reasons.


The right needs to actually understand the words they use/hear, and arguments being made before they attempt to engage in debate. You guys just say words and act as if they are automatically bad.
"Gender identity" , "Queer" , "Homosexual" , "Transgender"...none of these words are evil words. Can individuals teach or present these topics in inappropriate ways? Yes. But that doesn't mean the topics in and of themselves are bullshit.

My original point here was---you guys don't make any distinction between TALKING about topics and PUSHING/PROMOTING a topic. It isn't the same thing.
There are legitimate academic conversations to be had on any of these topics that doesn't require a teacher to "push/promote" a "transgender/homosexual lifestyle".
Your gender and sexuality ties into your ideas of masculinity/femininity, family make up, politics and political power, religion, history, how people have and haven't moved up or down in society because of their gender/sexuality, etc....there are a ton of discussions that can be had on the topic that have nothing to do with turning kids gay/"promoting gay lifestyle".
You can have no interest in the topic, or think it is a waste of time, but it's a perfectly legitimate subject in the field of humanities.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Tell us, guy who lives in LA. Did you throw this big of a shit fit, when some California schools were banning, among others, "To Kill A Mockingbird", for their "problematic" language?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no, no you didn't.

Banning those books is wrong too
, Insanity in my opinion

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