Social CRT (Critical Race Theory) Megathread, Vol.1

[panamaican]

"Indirect benefits", "eventually advancing". No shit. That's been the story of humanity throughout history and pre history. Such comments are so generic and general as to be useless.

Have anything that's exclusively European as per your criteria? If not then be more specific otherwise you're just being biased or plain bigoted. Simple as that. The exploitation of resources by Great Britain had no more tangeble benefits to Estonia than it did for China.

No, the comments are not generic. I used a simple example to help you follow the concept. The concept is what is important, try not to get distracted by the example used to frame said concept.

And not liking what I'm saying doesn't make it biased or bigoted or shallow. But it seems that we've gotten far enough that you're no longer denying the existence of indirect benefits. Now you want to argue about which indirect benefits apply to which country. We can disagree on whether or not something I consider an indirect benefit is one or not.

But I'm not interested in trying to convince you about specific examples. I just needed you to stop denying that "indirect benefits" exist and misrepresenting what my position actually was. I dropped this conversation with you months ago because I don't spend time trying to convince people of things when it's obvious that they're deadset against the possibility of those things.

If you've decided that something is impossible, per your way of thinking, then nothing I say, no matter how reasonable or intelligent, is going to change your mind. And I've more important things to do with my time.

 

[BIKES!]

Has the pecking order been established by now? Is there a victim for dummies book so we know who to prioritize? It’s becoming hard, are the early letters in the LGBTQIA+ prioritized above those that follow in the back? Do identities supersede traits by birth? Tough stuff…

 

[Islam Imamate]

“all euros are the same” is not taught anywhere lol what that fuck are you talking about? It seems your family has some exceptional dumb members but that says nothing about history classes.

Guys like him weren't paying attention in history class which is why they're remembering it all wrong. If anything history tends to whitewash these things but that's mainly because its hard enough to get kids to pay attention in history class without going over all the nuance and details.

 

[44nutman]

If only they can be like the sane leftwing pols.

Am I doing it right, muh comrade?

This Republican will never be topped by either side in my lifetime.

 

[shockaholic12]

Guys like him weren't paying attention in history class which is why they're remembering it all wrong. If anything history tends to whitewash these things but that's mainly because its hard enough to get kids to pay attention in history class without going over all the nuance and details.

I’m struggling to remember a single civilization that was covered in school where there wasn’t a part where “they had slaves” was covered.

 

[shockaholic12]

Has the pecking order been established by now? Is there a victim for dummies book so we know who to prioritize? It’s becoming hard, are the early letters in the LGBTQIA+ prioritized above those that follow in the back? Do identities supersede traits by birth? Tough stuff…

Yea the victim rankings have been established in this is thread. Goes…

1) white children guilt-stricken by history class.
2) white males (apparently in a war?)
3) the survivors of the war on Christmas (both white kids and white males)

 

[Sick85]

Critical Race Theory is for a bunch of racist assholes that like to cry about everything.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I’m struggling to remember a single civilization that was covered in school where there wasn’t a part where “they had slaves” was covered.

In fairness I remember slavery being referenced mainly in the context of the US and the wider Atlantic slave trade. But that makes perfect sense, that's our history. Complaining that this gets a lot of focus would be like a Russian complaining that the curriculum focuses too much on serfdom.

And its definitely not due to some anti-Western bias, if anything there's a pro-Western bias. We're all taught about Ancient Greece and their greatness in a way that downplays the critical role of slaves in those societies, in fact if anything they're favorably compared to most civilizations in regards to things like freedom. That was the case even in college where I had a right wing professor teaching Early Western history.

In general its just hard to have a nuanced and detailed K-12 curriculum on the breadth and depth of human history with all its warts so countries naturally focus on their own history more than that of other societies. I don't get how that is not obvious to most people.

 

[Mr Holmes]

In fairness I remember slavery being referenced mainly in the context of the US and the wider Atlantic slave trade. But that makes perfect sense, that's our history. Complaining that this gets a lot of focus would be like a Russian complaining that the curriculum focuses too much on serfdom.

And its definitely not due to some anti-Western bias, if anything there's a pro-Western bias. We're all taught about Ancient Greece and their greatness in a way that downplays the critical role of slaves in those societies, in fact if anything they're favorably compared to most civilizations in regards to things like freedom. That was the case even in college where I had a right wing professor teaching Early Western history.

In general its just hard to have a nuanced and detailed K-12 curriculum on the breadth and depth of human history with all its warts so countries naturally focus on their own history more than that of other societies. I don't get how that is not obvious to most people.

The topic of teaching slavery isn't even relevant to the larger discussion on banning CRT. Any claims of the contrary are just coming from people uneducated on the issue or people looking to deflect with straw man arguments.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The topic of teaching slavery isn't even relevant to the larger discussion on banning CRT. Any claims of the contrary are just coming from people uneducated on the issue or people looking to deflect with straw man arguments.

The contention is around how to teach history and specifically in regards to subjects like chattel slavery and Jim Crow in the US so its definitely relevant on some level.

 

[shockaholic12]

Critical Race Theory is for a bunch of racist assholes that like to cry about everything.

says the people crying we need ban AP classes and books to protect feels.

 

[Sick85]

says the people crying we need ban AP classes and books to protect feels.

Says the guy who thinks POC’s are victims of all white people. Propaganda at its finest folks

 

[shockaholic12]

Says the guy who thinks POC’s are victims of all white people. Propaganda at its finest folks

I've posted a handful of times in this thread how people have been victims in and of literally every civilization. I don't really know what the fuck you're going on about lol.

 

[Scerpi]

Has the pecking order been established by now? Is there a victim for dummies book so we know who to prioritize? It’s becoming hard, are the early letters in the LGBTQIA+ prioritized above those that follow in the back? Do identities supersede traits by birth? Tough stuff…

Hard to say.

But leave it to white men finding a way to climb over the other victim classes like blacks, women, gays/lesbians

Simply by declaring that they identify as a woman

 

[Sick85]

Yet you posted this

Yea the victim rankings have been established in this is thread. Goes…

1) white children guilt-stricken by history class.
2) white males (apparently in a war?)
3) the survivors of the war on Christmas (both white kids and white males)

I've posted a handful of times in this thread how people have been victims in and of literally every civilization. I don't really know what the fuck you're going on about lol.

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[shockaholic12]

Yet you posted this

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Yea, that is an accurate reflection of this thread. Other posters have claimed they are in the middle of a war on white males. I didn't make up that term myself. The entire basis of Florida by banning classes and books is that the ideas inside are victimizing white folks.

#3 was a joke

 

[Sick85]

Yea, that is an accurate reflection of this thread. Other posters have claimed they are in the middle of a war on white males. I didn't make up that term myself. The entire basis of Florida by banning classes and books is that the ideas inside are victimizing white folks.

#3 was a joke

There is No war on whites or POC, that’s all political theater on both sides here and we are seeing it in this thread

 

[Denter]

Yea the victim rankings have been established in this is thread. Goes…

1) white children guilt-stricken by history class.
2) white males (apparently in a war?)
3) the survivors of the war on Christmas (both white kids and white males)

My uncle was never the same after the Battle of Jinglebell Gap. Every November he can't even go into a grocery store without breaking down.

 

[Mr Holmes]

The contention is around how to teach history and specifically in regards to subjects like chattel slavery and Jim Crow in the US so its definitely relevant on some level.

I'm not sure history or how we teach it is the main problem. The problem I see is teaching history and then opining for political or societal changes as part of that lesson. I pointed out a few pages back about the ban on African studies AP course because its curriculum had a 1 sided lesson in favor of reparations.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not sure history or how we teach it is the main problem. The problem I see is teaching history and then opining for political or societal changes as part of that lesson. I pointed out a few pages back about the ban on African studies AP course because its curriculum had a 1 sided lesson in favor of reparations.

AP courses are supposed to be based on college courses and that course is pretty typical of college courses from what I saw. Ultimately students are going to be exposed to politics when they study these subjects, we're not talking about physics here, and that's especially true when they're taking something like African American studies. So yes that includes things like the segment on black feminist and black queer theory and that kind of jazz. Like I said earlier I had a right wing professor for Early Western Civ for obvious reasons. Not a fan of the feminist/queer theory stuff myself but that's why I never took such classes. If the course gives the students real college credits that they can use then I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed.