Crazy Monkey Boxing + Muay Thai?

[FirstNobleTruth]

This is a great thread.

 

[ambertch]

Ambertch.

I've met and trained with Jerry and Gary W from CA. Jerry is the US team manager and is a truly phenomenal coach - if you want top notch coaching then get over to him if you can. He can be contacted through his site. I know that he is hosting Rodney on the weekend of 17th/18th May this year. I'm flying over from the UK to cause trouble.

Awesome. I signed up over at CMD for some info - hopefully I'll catch you guys during that seminar and if not, at the beaches in Singapore

 

[Soul Rebel]

Might I assume that CM boxing wouldnt compromise my ability to bob, weave and slip?

 

[revolutiongym]

Hey SR

You can do all of these from CM, the structure actually tends to make you duck and bob & weave more safely because your locked down core makes you do the movement with your legs rather than by leaning. If you get clipped with a shot mid weave you stay balanced and you don't open gaps up that can be exploited if someone catches you out with a feint.

Phil

 

[peregrine]

This is the best thread in about 3years.

Rev much appreciation to offering some insight into this system. I posted a query on this several years ago and had minimal feedback.
Rev what dvds would you suggest to pick up for someone whos been training as long as you have competitivelly.?

 

[revolutiongym]

Hey Peregrine

Didn't spot this post sooner. Sorry.

You can check out the DVDs that cover CM here:

DVDs on crazymonkeydefense.com

The Championship Series Vol 1. is the best intro into CM and has been filmed specifically as an instructional. It covers a lot of the fine details in the basics of CM and covers a lot of drills and methods for getting the most out of your CM training.

The other DVDs are class or seminar based material. The two standouts being the Quantum CM

 

[franz_grinder]

Because I'm a bullheaded kyokushin fighter I'm really interested in this. Im naturally tuned to not want to dive in and out and around and would much rather deflect some shots in the pocket and come back at them. I'm known to get hit alot in my fights.

I think I'll order that DVD.

 

[alown4ge]

Crazy monkey is pretty dope, especially if you can kick, but Tito didn't use crazy monkey, he fucking ran around pulling guard while Chucky swung his patent hip hooks.

 

[Darwinist]

Because I'm a bullheaded kyokushin fighter I'm really interested in this. Im naturally tuned to not want to dive in and out and around and would much rather deflect some shots in the pocket and come back at them. I'm known to get hit alot in my fights.

I think I'll order that DVD.

That's a very wise choice. I

 

[GhostFighter]

I find CM great way of defending ur face but it doesnt allow for easy counters to be made when compared to the classic boxing defence where u keep ur hands lower to the chin.

 

[Keerin]

Wish someone had zombie'd this thread sooner. really helpful. (Y)

 

[P-E Studio IOM]

I find CM great way of defending ur face but it doesnt allow for easy counters to be made when compared to the classic boxing defence where u keep ur hands lower to the chin.

I actually find it easier to counter into an oncoming combination. This is down to the four drivers being in check; Balance, Defense, Tight Economical Structure (TES) and Condition. The 2 biggies on countering are Defense and TES, but of course everything must be out of a balance stance.

If you are in balance and actively defending, you use TES in your strikes to counter. TES means keeping your strikes tight, meaning you limit the holes in which you can get hit. There's no denying that every time you take your hands away from your head, you are opening a window of opportunity. TES makes that window smaller, it doesn't mean that your training partner or opponent can't land a hit, but it sure as hell cuts down the percentage.

If you're having trouble countering out of the defence you need to look at the youtube channel for Rodney's explainations on the system.

If you are talking about 'easy counters' and getting to them before they are in range to hit you, or before the combination is in motion (ie on the first punch), then their is no reason why you can't play your normal boxing game.

The way the CMD is coached is building your game out of defense so you can develop your more attribute or 'traditional' boxing game. If you ask a complete beginner to slip, bob, weave and counter, they will rarely be able to do it. CM gives you the tools to build their confidence and secondly, if not more importantly, enables them to have a solid foundation to fall back on. What happens if all they know is slip bob and weave, and then that nut is crack... they have no where to go and will be hurt. Many of the more experience CM practitioners will look like they are playing a traditional boxing game until the pressure gets to a level where they fall back on their fundamental game, stop dicking around and focus on the drivers to get the job done.

What the Youtube channel then go to the CMD worldwide website and free forum to ask questions where you'll have Crazy Monkeys from the world over to give their 2 cents. Join the pro membership site, and every coach around the world is at your disposal, and you have a plethora of streaming videos to aid your training.

Cheers

Chris

 

[Ifight4Beer]

I see a differance in how you hold your hands in CMD but the first boxing coach I ever had when teaching fundementals said put your fingers on the top of your eyebrows now close your fist. thats how high your hands should be. and I can garontee that his style was clasic style boxing. not hands just below chin, hell I have a tendancy to drop my hands to where I feel I can get them back up depending on the speed of who Im fighting as Im shure a lot of people do but fundimentals of boxin say "hand high"

 

[aries]

I find CM great way of defending ur face but it doesnt allow for easy counters to be made when compared to the classic boxing defence where u keep ur hands lower to the chin.

CM would make it easier if anything because you are torquing the body one way you are already wound up to counter and the fact that it allows you to get into and stay in counter range when you have incoming fire. Say you block with your left forearm/elbow, well if you are twisting your shoulders and hips correctly your right hand should be torqued back ready to unload a big right cross.

 

[Brando]

This is really a great thread.

As for defending the uppercut... Would CM call for a drop in levels and simply pushing the elbows together? The level drop would smother the uppercut a bit to cut off distance to ramp up speed and power, and pressing the elbows together into the "locked core" (maybe meeting at the bellybutton and tucking in) seems like an effective way to stop a 4.

Any official word on that? I'm just hypothesizing.

would love to check out a seminar in Canada.

 

[Too Defensive**]

CM would make it easier if anything because you are torquing the body one way you are already wound up to counter and the fact that it allows you to get into and stay in counter range when you have incoming fire. Say you block with your left forearm/elbow, well if you are twisting your shoulders and hips correctly your right hand should be torqued back ready to unload a big right cross.

This.


See Rampage when he fought Chuck and Wanderlei. Crazy monkey, then a counter hook. Rampage is one of the best counter punchers in MMA, and he uses CM

 

[Snubnoze707]

This is really a great thread.

As for defending the uppercut... Would CM call for a drop in levels and simply pushing the elbows together? The level drop would smother the uppercut a bit to cut off distance to ramp up speed and power, and pressing the elbows together into the "locked core" (maybe meeting at the bellybutton and tucking in) seems like an effective way to stop a 4.

Any official word on that? I'm just hypothesizing.

would love to check out a seminar in Canada.

We're taught to slightly turn our upper body and meet the uppercut with an elbow. Almost spiking down on it but not to the point where your leaving your face exposed.

 

[P-E Studio IOM]

What Snubnose said. Bring one elbow towards the mid section to cut the path of the uppercut off (usually my lead - the left), and hence you torque your body like Aries stated ready to counter.

I tend to use my lead (my left) as my rear has a slightly further distance to cover which could leave my liver open for a right upcut, left shovel hook combo.

Bringing both elbows in is effective at blocking or shelling the body and head against an uppercut, but doesn't give you the opportunity to throw effective counters (note:- effective = strikes that will do damage, rather then simply throwing something thans only just annoying).

 

[YukisHeart]

Sorry for the thread necromancy, but I took a bit of a shine to Crazy Monkey when I stumbled across this video on dirty boxing in the CMD "straight jacket clinch":



I have seen a few people badmouth this sort of clinch and dirty boxing more generally as being worthless if you know how to work a Thai clinch. But mightn't the straight jacket clinch be more useful if you were fighting someone else who knew how to work a Thai clinch? While dangerous, I always think the Thai clinch leaves you pretty much as exposed as your opponent, and also only works well when you can keep a certain distance; once your hips have closed with your opponent's you can't really work your knees the same, and this is likely to happen in real life if, say, you get pushed up against something, or in MMA if you get pinned/pin someone against the ropes or cage.

The Thai clinch is actually mentioned as part of Crazy Monkey's overall clinching programme too, so one might have thought they wouldn't have bothered with their "straight jacket" stuff at all if the Thai clinch was so great.

CMD's Clinch GAME's

Lets begin this section with the CMD Clinch Programme. This programe is divided into three clinch games.

Plum Position Clinch- The first of these is the Plum Positions or necktie clinch. This is common clinching method often seen in Muay Thai, although most MMA competitors today use it as well. It is a great place to deliver knee strikes.

Wrestling Clinch- The second clinic game is the wrestling clinch game. This clinch game is an eclectic mix from Roman Greco Wrestling and Freestyle Wrestling. The idea here is to tie opponents down, stop him or her from striking, or to use the wrestling position to mount an offense of strikes. When we used in conjuntion with CMD-MMA, this clinch game can then be used to secure a takedown.

CMD's Straight Jacket Clinch- The 3rd clinch game is the hallmark of the CMD clinch games called the Straight-Jacket Clinch. The idea behind this clinch is to control and tie down the opponent

 

[YukisHeart]

Searched about the forum and found a thread with .gifs of Quinton Jackson using CMD in one of his fights.

The clinch came into it again, with a lot of people saying it left you open to a Thai clinch? I think that is how 'page ended up being taken down in that fight, actually, but do you suppose he might have burst out of that stance with something like an old school JKD straight blast (YouTube - Straight Blast - keep your guard up, Vunak!) to keep Wandy backed up? Maybe could have followed up with a clinch of his own.