Covington is 0-3 against elite competition in the UFC

[mkt]

Jorge, Magny, Gunnar all solid wins, but not sure if he beat Condit at his best. Either way some solid wins.


Lymon Good, Rocco Martin and a washed Askren tho

True, but to say a Maia who was 7-1 in his prior 8 fights and went on to another 3-fight win streak was totally washed and about to retire after Colby was still a lie. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

[maximus__]

Good points. I agree about the lack of styles. The other day I mentioned how I wish there were guys like prime Lawler, Condit or even a Strikeforce-era Nick Diaz who could challenge Edwards. I think Edwards is more technical than any of them, but they'd all push the pace and attempt to bring the violence...especially Nick.

Back in the WW glory days, you also had Palhares and briefly Hector Lombard, who looked a lot better at WW than he ever did at MW. He completely dominated Shields until he gassed in the last round (but stil held on and got the UD).

Leon Edwards is a technical monster. Everyone forgets the absolute destruction he put on Diaz before that final minute. It was 24 mins of outstriking him, sweeping him and landing some ground and pound on repeat. Absolute kickboxing masterclass with sweeps thrown in. He could have done similar vs Colby, but unfortunately let idiots like Rogan and DC dictate what he did.

He did exactly what they were calling for and then they shit all over him for it. Same with Usman in their first fight when he got finished. Leon put himself in the position for a similar upset and then did the smart thing and rode out a round when he was already 4 up.

Leon's issue is that he can get cracked. His chin is nothing special.A prime Lawler for example happy to take 4-5 to land one would be a nightmare for him. Nick Diaz is a good example back when he just liked to fight.

He also has a tendency to be happy to settle into just riding out rounds if he is taken down. Usman 1 was a good example of this, but he adjusted and came into the 2nd fight with a great gameplan. Wrestling Colby was a great way to really get in Colby's head and force him to effectively give up in that fight. Those shots leon was landing were hurting him, that's the only reason we didn't see more offence from him.

 

[maximus__]

True, but to say a Maia who was 7-1 in his prior 8 fights and went on to another 3-fight win streak was totally washed and about to retire after Colby was still a lie. Let's call a spade a spade.

Maia would have beaten Woodley if he threw a 1-2 before each one of his takedown attempts.
He attempted more takedowns than Woodley threw punches and didn't get his usual wrestling camp.

He throws 2 strikes for every takedown and he wins on striking volume in that fight.

 

[mkt]

Leon Edwards is a technical monster. Everyone forgets the absolute destruction he put on Diaz before that final minute. It was 24 mins of outstriking him, sweeping him and landing some ground and pound on repeat. Absolute kickboxing masterclass with sweeps thrown in. He could have done similar vs Colby, but unfortunately let idiots like Rogan and DC dictate what he did.

He did exactly what they were calling for and then they shit all over him for it. Same with Usman in their first fight when he got finished. Leon put himself in the position for a similar upset and then did the smart thing and rode out a round when he was already 4 up.

Leon's issue is that he can get cracked. His chin is nothing special.A prime Lawler for example happy to take 4-5 to land one would be a nightmare for him. Nick Diaz is a good example back when he just liked to fight.

He also has a tendency to be happy to settle into just riding out rounds if he is taken down. Usman 1 was a good example of this, but he adjusted and came into the 2nd fight with a great gameplan. Wrestling Colby was a great way to really get in Colby's head and force him to effectively give up in that fight. Those shots leon was landing were hurting him, that's the only reason we didn't see more offence from him.

I agree, but I think prime Nick Diaz was a totally different beast than 36-year old Nate. I'm not saying he'd beat Edwards, but he'd nearly die trying to beat him. Not only could he throw endless punches for 5 rounds, but his back-and-forth, wild one round brawl with Paul Daley was something else. And if Edwards decided to take him down, Nick was quite good off his back.

 

[Goutfather]

so much hate revisionism. don’t get your feelings about him mixed up with the facts. he’s is an extremely good fighter, who used to be better. even in his last fight, he took a round from the champ, and perhaps could have taken others if he was as aggressive as he used to be.

 

[mkt]

Maia would have beaten Woodley if he threw a 1-2 before each one of his takedown attempts.
He attempted more takedowns than Woodley threw punches and didn't get his usual wrestling camp.

He throws 2 strikes for every takedown and he wins on striking volume in that fight.

Yeah, Shields beat Woodley by outlanding him....even though it was his very light pitter patter punches and maybe a few leg kicks. He and Rory both showed good gameplans to beat Woodley, but no one else followed them.

 

[Goutfather]

Well hes definitley ducking Shavkat. Hes not the only one,with good reason lol

what happens if colby gets shavkat and then manages to win? boy would that be a disaster for people itt!

 

[Chayanne]

Cahel sonnen son is a piece of shit who wants to harm people and karma has caught up with him

 

[HHJ]

Lol just like how Gus would be champ without Jones right? Except DC beat him and Rumble sent him to the shadow realms. And unlike Colby Gus actually got some good wins in the division, beating Glover and Blachowicz.

This idea that losing a competitive fight to the champ makes you the second best guy has never held merit.

Gus made his whole career off his performance in that Jones fight though. The people's interest in him stems from it.

 

[maximus__]

Gus made his whole career off his performance in that Jones fight though. The people's interest in him stems from it.

Gus was great until you got inside his boxing on the feet. He beat Jan via wrestling and actually had decent takedowns when he used them. He could have done much better in his career if he had gotten over that Jones performance earlier. I think Rumble would have beaten Jones personally. That was during his era when he forgot how to wrestle offensively for some reason.

Colby seemed to do the same thing in this fight. All he had to do was strike his way into takedowns and crowd Leon. Sure he might have gotten hurt in the process but Leon does poorly when you crowd him in the striking. He is perfect at that mid and long range, but struggles with inside fighting. He seems to have made the adjustement with elbows, but I still think plenty of guys can exploit it at WW.

 

[sonhow]

Lawler was clearly done by the time he fought RDA. Lawler also suffered a torn ACL and meniscus halfway through that 5 round RDA fight.

I dont think he was done. He only had lost to Woodley. Declining? Sure. But what happens afterwards is hindsight and doesnt matter.

 

[pankrat]

Burns, a prime Wonderboy. He should have fought one of those two instead of Lawler or Masvidal. Both of them have better wins than he does.

lol

By the time Colby was beating Maia and RDA for the interim belt, "elite" Burns was barely getting past unranked Kunchenko in a very dull decision where he took the most damage, not to mention he gave Usman much less of a challenge than Colby did.

Meanwhile Wonderboy was losing to Till and getting KOed by Pettis, two guys Colby would have been definitely favoured against.

Im as much of a hater of scumbag Colby as anybody but I can also clearly identify shertards

 

[Bork Neslar]

And still he's elite, whether you like it or not.

 

[Portland8242]

I agree, but I think prime Nick Diaz was a totally different beast than 36-year old Nate. I'm not saying he'd beat Edwards, but he'd nearly die trying to beat him. Not only could he throw endless punches for 5 rounds, but his back-and-forth, wild one round brawl with Paul Daley was something else. And if Edwards decided to take him down, Nick was quite good off his back.

Prime Nick was obviously on another level than Nate. If there was any elite prime from the DIaz bros it was Nick in the strikeforce days (atleast for his era, highly doubt he'd be elite today).

 

[Portland8242]

so much hate revisionism. don’t get your feelings about him mixed up with the facts. he’s is an extremely good fighter, who used to be better. even in his last fight, he took a round from the champ, and perhaps could have taken others if he was as aggressive as he used to be.

No revisionism here.

Saturday was a rare occurrence of Colby fighting a prime fighter and he looked very bad. We had no idea how good Colby's been over the years because he never tested himself against elite compeittion.

 

[mkt]

Prime Nick was obviously on another level than Nate. If there was any elite prime from the DIaz bros it was Nick in the strikeforce days (atleast for his era, highly doubt he'd be elite today).

Wrestlers with good sub-defense were always Nick's weakness, whether it was Diego Sanchez or GSP back in the day or someone like Shavkat now. However, I think Prime Nick would do well against current WWs willing to stand with him.

 

[Goutfather]

No revisionism here.

Saturday was a rare occurrence of Colby fighting a prime fighter and he looked very bad. We had no idea how good Colby's been over the years because he never tested himself against elite compeittion.

he looked "bad," as in "not entertaining," and "not his best," and "not aggressive enough." but he didn't get steamrolled or shut out. up until usman fought khamzat, colby fought everyone usman fought except gilbert burns. so if you have a complaint about colby's level of competition, you should also say that about usman.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

I dont think he was done. He only had lost to Woodley. Declining? Sure. But what happens afterwards is hindsight and doesnt matter.

Everybody knew at the time Lawler wasn't the same guy. He was even the betting underdog, and barely got past Cerrone

 

[TR1]

His wins are consistently guys who have way more mileage than him, or are at the ends of their careers.

Taken individually some of those wins are fine, but overall a clear pattern emerges.

 

[the_details]

People mocked Masvidal for ducking top competition, but outside of the two title shots vs Usman, Masvidal's competition has been much stronger that Colby's:

Still the only person to KO Till and Askren (in MMA). It wasn't just the quality of his competition, it was the quality of his wins.

he’s is an extremely good fighter,

Fortunately we have records to prove such a statement. Unfortunately we've all seen that record.

And still he's elite, whether you like it or not.

He had over 5 minutes of control time against Leon in that fight last Saturday and landed 0 significant strikes on the ground and had 0 submission attempts. 25% of that fight he was in control with no significant offense. Is that the output of an elite fighter? I'm sure someone is going to chime in with a "He doesn't usually fight like that", but, this is the only time we've seen him in 20 months. This is who he is now, until he proves otherwise.