Could you beat Charlie Zelenoff in a fight?

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Hopefully it gets onto YouTube.

In the documentary in the OP towards the end this pretty much happens. He keeps pushing this dude who already beat him up in boxing and the guy ends up just chasing him around the gym throwing him on the ground and pounding him, then puts him a RNC until he will admit he lost lol.

Man this guy has me riled up bahah.... dude sucker punches everyone he can, attacks a 61 year old man (who just picked him apart and embarrassed him) from behind, then has the nerve to call "time out" everytime he gets hit or cornered, and complains when people use other techniques other than boxing against him as if he is fighting fair.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The guy's gotten into the ring with some absolute monsters and never was put to sleep....more than I could say for myself. I'm sure I would have been out cold going against Deontay Wilder in about 10 seconds but he walked away from it. That guy could be an absolute beast if he actually learned how to fight cause he's tough as nails.

I can honestly say that Charlie Z has a way better chin than I do but his fighting technique sucks. But a good chin goes a long way in stand up fighting.

Exactly.

Anyone who can bang against the world heavyweight champ and only get knocked down (not even close to being out) is dangerous. Plus, he swings hard and obviously the crazy factor is there.

Unless you have substantial training, he's whooping your ass.

 

[DevilsLettuce]

In the documentary in the OP towards the end this pretty much happens. He keeps pushing this dude who already beat him up in boxing and the guy ends up just chasing him around the gym throwing him on the ground and pounding him, then puts him a RNC until he will admit he lost lol.

Man this guy has me riled up bahah.... dude sucker punches everyone he can, attacks a 61 year old man (who just picked him apart and embarrassed him) from behind, then has the nerve to call "time out" everytime he gets hit or cornered, and complains when people use other techniques other than boxing against him as if he is fighting fair.

Embarrassment isn't enough, I'd like to see him genuinely hurt.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Embarrassment isn't enough, I'd like to see him genuinely hurt.

 

[mb23100]

I saw him at the palms in vegas once. He was just walking around the casino with his gym bag and a hat that said #1 champion or something like that. Just walking in circles lol

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Exactly.

Anyone who can bang against the world heavyweight champ and only get knocked down (not even close to being out) is dangerous. Plus, he swings hard and obviously the crazy factor is there.

Unless you have substantial training, he's whooping your ass.

Did you watch these videos?? He couldn't knock down the people he was sucker punching in the back of a pilates class. He throws shitty arm punches and gets exhausted after 1 minute and starts trying to crawl out of the ring whenever his opponent shows any aggression towards him. I'm no pro fighter or badass but it is baffling to me that anything about this guys fighting impressed anyone. Wilder caught him with a couple light counter hooks and he dove on the ground and curled up in the fetal position everytime he was grazed. That is not "banging with the heavyweight champ" - who couldn't wing a few punches at a pro boxer then dive out of the ring or curl up in a ball when they try to hit you back? Why is that impressive?

 

[weed]

I love how he always calls 'time' in his favor like a little bitch when he gets hit, then when others have had enough he still fucking goes at it.
even worse, he claims those who he can't hit are "running away" haha

 

[Horse Style]

Did you watch these videos?? He couldn't knock down the people he was sucker punching in the back of a pilates class. He throws shitty arm punches and gets exhausted after 1 minute and starts trying to crawl out of the ring whenever his opponent shows any aggression towards him. I'm no pro fighter or badass but it is baffling to me that anything about this guys fighting impressed anyone. Wilder caught him with a couple light counter hooks and he dove on the ground and curled up in the fetal position everytime he was grazed. That is not "banging with the heavyweight champ" - who couldn't wing a few punches at a pro boxer then dive out of the ring or curl up in a ball when they try to hit you back? Why is that impressive?

The people saying he's impressive are either trolling or colby25

 

[Deleted member 220895]

I'm surprised no one has came back with a baseball bat for him yet.

 

[colby25]

The people saying he's impressive are either trolling or colby25

lol I never said he was impressive.

Said he's durable...got a good chin.

Go in there and spar with deontay wilder for a minute and see if you come out alive. He did pull the classic butt scoot a lot but a world heavy weight going against a dude who doesn't know how to fight at 160 lbs and not getting knocked out cold...even if he was just standing for 10 seconds in that whole thing is impressive. You know Deontay had to have been raging cause the kid wasn't snoring at the end.

Charlie Z is the ultimate troll cause the kid takes the damage gets back up and starts talking smack again saying he won. There's others that have tried to get away with this and they get put to sleep. Watch Butterbean vs Johnny Knoxville for example. 999 times of 1000 going against a dude that hits that hard and you have zero fighting ability -you're getting put to sleep. Not Charlie Z though- I haven't seen him put away fully yet.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

Lol. Put the earmuffs on or move your feet for the first 10 seconds and you win.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

lWatch Butterbean vs Johnny Knoxville for example.

That wouldn't have been a very good episode if it ended with Knoxville turning around and running away before Butterbean could swing at him, then posting a youtube video later that night wearing a plasic belt claiming he knocked Butterbean out lol.

You are right, he didn't get put away clean but he also didn't put anyone else away really, even the guys he sucker punches, and he dove through the ropes in panic every time he was in danger.

 

[SMillard]

I'd crush him
see him driven before me
and hear the lamentations of his women

Honestly we used to have a guy like him in the gym but our guy was pretty ripped, was actually in the boxing class on the regular and didn't duck at the first sign of getting punched. Normally we just put up with his shit, but every once in awhile we'd clock the shit out of him just to get him to settle down. Guys like that don't react well to a hook to the temple/jaw and they seem to get the wind knocked out of them very easy (provided they aren't already doubled over when the first punch comes like this guy appears to do)

 

[Gandulf]

He should be in a mental ward or in jail, for his safety and for the one of others. I'm quite surprised that Floyd and his entourage didn't beat him to death after sucker punching Floyd senior. If he would try that shit in Brazil, he'd not only lose some teeth, he might also magically disappear.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Wilder caught him with a couple light counter hooks and he dove on the ground and curled up in the fetal position everytime he was grazed. That is not "banging with the heavyweight champ" - who couldn't wing a few punches at a pro boxer then dive out of the ring or curl up in a ball when they try to hit you back? Why is that impressive?

Maybe you are a badass and just haven't realized it yet.

I sure as fuck couldn't stand against a furious, snarling, heavyweight champ (big difference from a generic "pro boxer") and actually take a couple of swings at him even for a couple of seconds.

Fight starts at 2:11



The guy has dozens of fights on Youtube and I've yet to see one where he gets KO'd clean, or even badly hurt. Face it, he has a chin. You might hate him, he might be an asshole and might deserve to get hurt, but he has a chin and swings harder than the average dude on the street.

 

[SMillard]

lol I never said he was impressive.

Said he's durable...got a good chin.

Go in there and spar with deontay wilder for a minute and see if you come out alive. He did pull the classic butt scoot a lot but a world heavy weight going against a dude who doesn't know how to fight at 160 lbs and not getting knocked out cold...even if he was just standing for 10 seconds in that whole thing is impressive. You know Deontay had to have been raging cause the kid wasn't snoring at the end.

Charlie Z is the ultimate troll cause the kid takes the damage gets back up and starts talking smack again saying he won. There's others that have tried to get away with this and they get put to sleep. Watch Butterbean vs Johnny Knoxville for example. 999 times of 1000 going against a dude that hits that hard and you have zero fighting ability -you're getting put to sleep. Not Charlie Z though- I haven't seen him put away fully yet.

The Knoxvilled vs Butterbean thing is apples and oranges. Butterbean is known for being heavy handed and the weight difference was very substantial. Also pretty sure they told Butterbean to tee off on Knoxville who was just standing there waiting to take a shot from Butterbean so Butterbean didn't have to worry about a moving target or counterpunches, Charlie goes in with the premise that it's a friendly spar, even if an opponent decides to go full bore, he isn't going to over commit because he knows this dipshit is still going to be swinging for the fences. I see kids come in all the time that beat the shit out of the wavemaster bags thinking they are the king of pain, then they get paired with someone and realize when you swing for the fence you are very exposed.

 

[faustian]

lol I never said he was impressive.

Said he's durable...got a good chin.

Go in there and spar with deontay wilder for a minute and see if you come out alive. He did pull the classic butt scoot a lot but a world heavy weight going against a dude who doesn't know how to fight at 160 lbs and not getting knocked out cold...even if he was just standing for 10 seconds in that whole thing is impressive. You know Deontay had to have been raging cause the kid wasn't snoring at the end.

Charlie Z is the ultimate troll cause the kid takes the damage gets back up and starts talking smack again saying he won. There's others that have tried to get away with this and they get put to sleep. Watch Butterbean vs Johnny Knoxville for example. 999 times of 1000 going against a dude that hits that hard and you have zero fighting ability -you're getting put to sleep. Not Charlie Z though- I haven't seen him put away fully yet.

Exactly. Charlie Z is the real deal Holyfield

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

He should be in a mental ward or in jail, for his safety and for the one of others. I'm quite surprised that Floyd and his entourage didn't beat him to death after sucker punching Floyd senior. If he would try that shit in Brazil, he'd not only lose some teeth, he might also magically disappear.

Agreed. Boxing legend or not, the guy is in his 60s. He deserved a curb stomping for that, and then some.

 

[MarkyMcFly]

204-0 imo

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Maybe you are a badass and just haven't realized it yet.

I sure as fuck couldn't stand against a furious, snarling, heavyweight champ (big difference from a generic "pro boxer") and actually take a couple of swings at him even for a couple of seconds.

Fight starts at 2:11



The guy has dozens of fights on Youtube and I've yet to see one where he gets KO'd clean, or even badly hurt. Face it, he has a chin. You might hate him, he might be an asshole and might deserve to get hurt, but he has a chin and swings harder than the average dude on the street.

Hard to tell what his chin is like since all we ever see is the back of his head while he's running away.