Could Judo Be More Effective In WMMA Than Mens?

[HuntersCreed]

Judo is largely dependent on your ability to get a hold of your opponent by their clothing to execute throws. That's why it hasn't been as effective in mens MMA. W/ women needing to wear tops I think it made it easier for Ronda to maintain a better grip on Tate to get the throws she did. I'm not saying she grabbed Meisha's clothing. I'm saying it makes it easier for Ronda's arms to grip to Meisha's clothing when making the throws w/out slipping like they would if it was skin to skin.

Am I over thinking this or could it carry some weight?

 

[OliverAtom]

There just hasn't been that many judokas in MMA. Karo was quite successful, Akiyama tossed Jake Shields around but he lacks the brains to know when to use it. Some have just not been able to transition well into MMA, like how Munoz's MMA wrestling is nowhere near as effective as his amateur wrestling. Also judo is more than just throws and leg trips. You don't necessarily need a gi to get a proper grip, a clinch is more than enough imo which is how Ronda does it.

 

[yookfarb]

There just hasn't been that many judokas in MMA.

I strongly disagree, Olympic level judokas(more accomplished than RR) are a dime a dozen in the east(JMMA).

 

[elzar]

Judo is largely dependent on your ability to get a hold of your opponent by their clothing to execute throws. That's why it hasn't been as effective in mens MMA. W/ women needing to wear tops I think it made it easier for Ronda to maintain a better grip on Tate to get the throws she did. I'm not saying she grabbed Meisha's clothing. I'm saying it makes it easier for Ronda's arms to grip to Meisha's clothing when making the throws w/out slipping like they would if it was skin to skin.

Am I over thinking this or could it carry some weight?

you're overthinking it. karo was very good in mma before the head issues, but not as good as ronda 1) women's mma has less depth; 2) ronda was more successful in judo.

 

[PhantomBlade]

I was actually thinking about this today. Judo is definatly used in mens MMA but not as effectively as Rousey. I think its just down to the higher evolution of male fighters. If NBK sweeps the Dong while Hendricks can KO Kampmann then there really is no place for a one trick pony. Do love the throws though, more of that is always a good thing

 

[HARDCORE CHINO]

because the woman in mma are sooo bad at fighting.

WMMA does NOT equal world class fighting.

 

[runfrumu]

Most of the women aren't as well rounded or as competent at fighting and have been doing it as long as their male counterparts.

Also when women get mad, they get emotional and make dumb decisions, like Tate rushing Rousey and getting tossed several times.

 

[greenmanwldcard***]

Judo is great against people who are clueless. So Judo will be great for about 10 more years in WMMA

 

[kuremadman]

You just don't see that many high-level judokas in the UFC on the men's side. Really, you don't see them on the women's side either other than Rousey. High-level wrestling is much more common. Taking down your opponent is taking down your opponent. It's not really a matter of the martial art, but how little it is practiced outside of the east.

 

[dropshot001]

It isn't as prevalent in mma. Wmma is still progressing so things could seem more effective than in mma.

 

[greenmanwldcard***]

You just don't see that many high-level judokas in the UFC on the men's side. Really, you don't see them on the women's side either other than Rousey. High-level wrestling is much more common. Taking down your opponent is taking down your opponent. It's not really a matter of the martial art, but how little it is practiced outside of the east.

Well you don't see Judo much in MMA, but women are stupid enough to let people to grab them where ever they want so Ronda can pretty much do whatever she wants to people.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

ronda is just so much better, stronger than her opponents, that with her technique, she is just on another level, besides, his judo landed her in positions where she couldnt even hold side mount, measha reverted a few positions, but rondas grappling, as a whole is on totally another level, from top and bottom... Also the mare fact that she can always get a clinch no matter what helps here game a lot, women dont have the kind of power to stop her bullrush, she will glady eat some punches to get to the clinch, she knows she isnt getting ktfo....

 

[BJJ_Rage]

There just hasn't been that many judokas in MMA. Karo was quite successful, Akiyama tossed Jake Shields around but he lacks the brains to know when to use it. Some have just not been able to transition well into MMA, like how Munoz's MMA wrestling is nowhere near as effective as his amateur wrestling. Also judo is more than just throws and leg trips. You don't necessarily need a gi to get a proper grip, a clinch is more than enough imo which is how Ronda does it.

this is a lie.

There ahve been a shit ton of japanese judokas transition to MMA, specially in PRIDE days, some did good, some not... also I would guess that M-1 and ONE FC have plenty of judo based fighters, just as the UFC has plenty wrestlers.

akiyama threw jake like 3 times, beutiful trips and throws, the problem is, the control you have in a throw or a trip is far less than the control you have with a single or double, and since mma is fought on soft mats, you hardly will stun your opponent, so most of the times, a flashy throw is follwed by a scramble and back to the original position... And dont forget the one holding the fance for dear life in order to avod getting his back taken in the 3rd was akiyama, not jake, and I literally mean dear life.

 

[hussar922]

the women's div in mma is probably the thinnest in all of professional sports and that's it - remember there's a reason why you also aren't going to see anyone in the men's div get 8 armbars in a row - in fact armbars in men's mma at all are rare these days and from the guard even more so - it happens obviously but few enough that they really stand out when they do happen

remember when torres was unstoppable? - remember what happened when 135 got some depth - expect something similar when the women's game gains some more steam

 

[kuremadman]

Well you don't see Judo much in MMA

True, and I think part of it is that it isn't that common in Judo to do much after the take down. The goal is ippon, and a majority of the time, it comes entirely off of throws, which might explain why Rousey sometimes ends up way out of position on the ground, even after basically ending up in an full mount after her throws.

Really, it's like any individual martial art, it's not enough anymore to be good at one thing in Men's MMA. Women's will catch up, but right now, she is sort of like Royce Gracie in the early UFC.

 

[greenmanwldcard***]

the women's div in mma is probably the thinnest in all of professional sports and that's it - remember there's a reason why you also aren't going to see anyone in the men's div get 8 armbars in a row - in fact armbars in men's mma at all are rare these days and from the guard even more so - it happens obviously but few enough that they really stand out when they do happen

remember when torres was unstoppable? - remember what happened when 135 got some depth - expect something similar when the women's game gains some more steam

The problem is it won't get deeper because women don't like to fight

 

[emul8ter25]

So far besides Cyborg, none of the women really pose a real threat with striking. Because of this grappling is far more effective.

Right now women's mma is basically grappling matches.

 

[Aas Gutú Adéli]

Judo may well fit wmma better
The striking is less a problem, the center of gravity is different and slippery torsos are less a problem

 

[HuntersCreed]

So far besides Cyborg, none of the women really pose a real threat with striking. Because of this grappling is far more effective.

Right now women's MMA is basically grappling matches.

Have you seen Holly Holm fight?

 

[thekartesian]

Jon Jones uses a ton of Judo techniques.