Could DC have been a GOAT if he stayed at HW?

Sincere Guy said:
But doing right things still raises your chances. That doesn't change.
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I dont think Nog was wrong.

I just think that when you watch the Couture fight,he totally dominated Couture but couldnt submit him,which showed me he was not as slick as he once was with his submissions. That being said,I can understand in the heat of battle just going for it anyway. Thats the kind of thing Nog would do. Unfortunatley he couldnt finish it and paid the price. Shit happens.
 
Taric said:
Tim Sylvia has 5 titles. Congrats on being less accomplished than Sylvia when your talent level was much greater.
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No


Sylvia has one...which he won twice


SF GP was a great accomplishment as well

SF GP winner, won and defended 2 ufc titles
 
achoo42 said:
We all know DC was a beast at HW when he fought in Strikeforce. He dominated a number of elite heavyweights, including Mir, Nelson, and Barnett.

Of course Cain was his teammate so this probably wouldn't have happened, but how would DC have matched up against the HWs of 2011-2017?

I think he's a tiny bit better than Cain even though he wouldn't admit it. Better kicking, slightly more explosive, and Cain says DC often got the better of him in grappling exchanges. Cain might have better late round cardio, and it would be a very close fight but I think DC would edge out a decision more often than not.

JDS is another really good matchup, but again it's a similar stylistic fight to what went down between JDS and Cain 2 and 3. DC would drown him with a nonstop barrage of takedowns and strikes and JDS' only option is to land the big right.

Werdum is the wild card here. A sound Werdum with a good gameplan beats any HW on the planet, but who really knows with that guy. I would give the edge to DC just because he's the more serious fighter who you can rely on to think and fight intelligently.

Overeem and Lesnar would also have been interesting. I think DC was too fast and tough for Lesnar. Overeem's knees and body shots would have been devastating but I don't think he had the toughness required to go to war against DC.

What do you guys think?
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I think you’re overrating werdum. cain underestimating elevation is why he won their fight. powerful strikers with strong tdd will always be a very tough fight for him.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
No


Sylvia has one...which he won twice


SF FP was a great accomplishment as well
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What are you rambling about? Tim Sylvia has won 5 UFC HW championships. He defeated these fighters to win them:
  • Ricco Rodriguez
  • Gan McGee
  • Andrei Arlovski
  • Andrei Arlovski
  • Jeff Monson
What verbiage you decide you want to use to substantiate that fact is up to you.
 
Taric said:
What are you rambling about? Tim Sylvia has won 5 UFC HW championships. He defeated these fighters to win them:
  • Ricco Rodriguez
  • Gan McGee
  • Andrei Arlovski
  • Andrei Arlovski
  • Jeff Monson
What verbiage you decide you want to use to substantiate that fact is up to you.
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No.


He won 5 title fights


He won ONE title...twice...and defended it 3x


DC won and defended TWO titles

He has 6 title fight wins...or as you'd say, he won 6 championships

No objective mma fan would say Tim accomplished more than DC
 
achoo42 said:
We all know DC was a beast at HW when he fought in Strikeforce. He dominated a number of elite heavyweights, including Mir, Nelson, and Barnett.

Of course Cain was his teammate so this probably wouldn't have happened, but how would DC have matched up against the HWs of 2011-2017?

I think he's a tiny bit better than Cain even though he wouldn't admit it. Better kicking, slightly more explosive, and Cain says DC often got the better of him in grappling exchanges. Cain might have better late round cardio, and it would be a very close fight but I think DC would edge out a decision more often than not.

JDS is another really good matchup, but again it's a similar stylistic fight to what went down between JDS and Cain 2 and 3. DC would drown him with a nonstop barrage of takedowns and strikes and JDS' only option is to land the big right.

Werdum is the wild card here. A sound Werdum with a good gameplan beats any HW on the planet, but who really knows with that guy. I would give the edge to DC just because he's the more serious fighter who you can rely on to think and fight intelligently.

Overeem and Lesnar would also have been interesting. I think DC was too fast and tough for Lesnar. Overeem's knees and body shots would have been devastating but I don't think he had the toughness required to go to war against DC.

What do you guys think?
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I do think so and think JJ would have a bigger problem with him there.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
No.


He won 5 title fights


He won ONE title...twice...and defended it 3x


DC won and defended TWO titles

He has 6 title fight wins...or as you'd say, he won 6 championships
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Jesus Christ. Are you seriously arguing semantics with me right now? Literally nobody says that Anderson has only won 1 UFC title, because what does that accomplish, except you apparently.
MartinGibson86 said:
He has 6 title fight wins...or as you'd say, he won 6 championships

No objective mma fan would say Tim accomplished more than DC
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If you want to live in a world where we're giving accolades to Daniel for being second fiddle, never being superior to Jones when Jon was an active fighter (which is every calendar year up until 2021), you do you bud.

Every moment that Tim Sylvia was UFC HW champion, he was the best HW in the UFC and it was an inarguable fact.
 
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HHJ said:
I just think that when you watch the Couture fight,he totally dominated Couture but couldnt submit him,which showed me he was not as slick as he once was with his submissions.
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Give Couture a little more credit than that, because he had only been tapped legitimately two times in his entire career and they all occurred in his 5th and 11th fights when he had less than 4 years of fighting experience (back when fighters were one dimensional and trying to figure out how to actually train multiple disciplines at once). Nogueira not being able to submit Couture isn't a mark against Nogueira's submission abilities, it's a testament to Couture's defense.



And the Ilyukhin submission was basically gift wrapped to him because of how the refs repositioned them after getting too close to the ropes; Ilyukhin originally had his legs wrapped around Couture's left leg, which was the same side of the kimura, and when repositioned the refs allowed him to trap Couture's right leg and start cranking the kimura before they even restarted the fight, which is why I don't really count this submission.





Inoue wasn't a slouch with submissions and neither was Valentijn (the latter being the only submission loss in Babalu's career). And back then I don't think Rings even allowed closed-fist ground and pound.
 
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Taric said:
Jesus Christ. Are you seriously arguing semantics with me right now? Literally nobody says that Anderson has only won 1 UFC title, because what does that accomplish, except you apparently.

If you want to live in a world where we're giving accolades to Daniel for being second fiddle, never being superior to Jones when Jon was an active fighter (which is every calendar year up until 2021), you do you bud.

Every moment that Tim Sylvia was UFC HW champion, he was the best HW in the UFC and it was an inarguable fact.
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Its not semantics einstein



DC won 2 titles


sylvia won one



Fuck dude
 
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Taric said:
Bigfoot was #8 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-3518
Barnett was #8 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-42147
Mir was #7 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-50961
Nelson was unranked - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/2/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-56651

Interestingly enough, Cormier became a top 5 HW without beating a top 5 HW.
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The SF heavyweight division was stacked back then. That version of Josh Barnett would probably be the #2 HW in the UFC today. So not fair to go off rankings.
 
acannxr said:
Give Couture a little more credit than that, because he had only been tapped legitimately two times in his entire career and they all occurred in his 5th and 11th fights when he had less than 4 years of fighting experience (back when fighters were one dimensional and trying to figure out how to actually train multiple disciplines at once). Nogueira not being able to submit Couture isn't a mark against Nogueira's submission abilities, it's a testament to Couture's defense.



And the Ilyukhin submission was basically gift wrapped to him because of how the refs repositioned them after getting too close to the ropes; Ilyukhin originally had his legs wrapped around Couture's left leg, which was the same side of the kimura, and when repositioned the refs allowed him to trap Couture's right leg and start cranking the kimura before they even restarted the fight, which is why I don't really count this submission.





Inoue wasn't a slouch with submissions and neither was Valentijn (the latter being the only submission loss in Babalu's career). And back then I don't think Rings even allowed closed-fist ground and pound.
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I give Couture all the credit,he's one of my fav fighters,but he was quite old in this fight,and I have watched Nogueira my whole career. It was really noticable that Nog was struggling there when he normally wouldnt. That's my take anyway.
 
If Timmeh had another title defence or two would he still be ufc hw goat?
 
MartinGibson86 said:
Its not semantics einstein
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Use Google and learn what the word semantics means buddy. You are arguing with me about the use of linguistics, that nobody cares about, except you... that is the literal textbook definition of what semantics means. The actual dictionary definition.

Sylvia has won 5 championships
Sylvia has won 5 title fights
Sylvia has won 5 titles

To anybody sane that is all has the same shit, even if by the literal definition they are all different things. You know what I meant when I wrote it, as evidenced by you literally telling me what I meant. But for God knows what reason you've decided to be a dick and have spent 4 different posts now arguing with me about verbiage.

Nobody gives a fuck buddy. Get over it.
At no point does saying Anderson has only won 1 UFC title bring anything to any conversation, even if it's technically accurate... ever
 
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