Regimen Could being really strong for your weight division justify not cutting water weight

[maximus__]

How you people are so stupid is beyond belief but I guess from a free website I cant expect much more.

If a skilled fighter is stronger he is a better fighter.

If a strong fighter is not skilled like 0 level of skill which is not likely anyways as he stands he would be a better fighter at 100% strength and close to zero skill vs 100% skill and 0% strength. How many paraplegics do you know that can fight? Why cant they fight? because they do not posses the strength or ability to get up out a chair and walk.

Who wins, The best paraplegic bench presser or the paraplegic wrestler if they were to fight? Both these sports exist and athletes conpete in them. Both are equally disabled, one just knows how to wrestle around that disability the other is strong in the capacity available to him.

That's an actual even conparison instead of making someone disabled to say being strong is better. Of course the paraplegic with no use of their legs is at a disadvantage against an someone with the use of their legs.

You keep calling everyone stupid, whilst provided the worst examples possible.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

That's a ridiculous example to use a paraplegic. In that case, the zero skill guy is so uncoordinated that he will fall and break his neck on his way to the ring, so he'd be paralyzed as well.

That is why it is ridiculous to assume somebody that is strong already is completely untrained skill wise.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Who are these highly skilled weaklings you're talking about? It's ridiculous to assume that somebody training in a combat sport is not going to develop strength from that.

It is just an example to prove the point. Training in just mma specifically doesn't mean you will be competitive just because you develop the skill to maybe compete at lower levels. Just like anybody can lift weights but it doesn't make them a competitive powerlifter.

There isn't a champion or goat in mma who isn't or wasn't strong.

MMA is a relatively new sport in its current format and the sport science is just now catching up which is why Jon jones dedicated a lot of time to powerlifting training. It is the smart thing to do to close the gap in strength against other heavyweights. Karate or boxers do not require the same strength levels to be competitive in this sports although it does help to keep getting stronger if you can without it effecting skill practice. Mike Tyson, George Foreman etc were strong.

it is unethical to just tell people to go train nothing but their art and it will make you a champion.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Who is this person telling athletes not to lift? I don't really understand your argument. What is the appropriate balance of skill vs strength training you are advocating?

If strength was not important then nobody would strength train. It has been that way since the dawn of modern sport. Baseball and baskeball players in the old days did not lift weights. They now all lift weights or strength train in some fashion. That is how important strength is to even be competitive.

 

[spdrew2143]

If strength was not important then nobody would strength train. It has been that way since the dawn of modern sport. Baseball and baskeball players in the old days did not lift weights. They now all lift weights or strength train in some fashion. That is how important strength is to even be competitive.

How much longer are you going to repeat this? We get it, you think being strong gives one a distinct advantage in sports.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

How much longer are you going to repeat this? We get it, you think being strong gives one a distinct advantage in sports.

no I dont think they actually get it. Why are you butting in anyways since you have admitted you know nothing about fighting?

 

[ChickenBrother]

Who is this person telling athletes not to lift? I don't really understand your argument. What is the appropriate balance of skill vs strength training you are advocating?

OK fine, it was me. Brute strength is nothing compared to knowledge of the cosmos:




"I am the most complete fighter in the world."

-Yuri Boyka Stephen Hawking

 

[maximus__]

How much longer are you going to repeat this? We get it, you think being strong gives one a distinct advantage in sports.

I think we all do, don't we? No one has ever said the opposite.
But the issue is the single most important variable part. Single most important implies more important than everything else, that where everyone disagrees.

 

[ChickenBrother]

I think we all do, don't we? No one has ever said the opposite.

Speak for yourself mate.

 

[maximus__]

Speak for yourself mate.

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I stand corrected.

 

[maximus__]

Jujimufu JJ episode is up.

He does some rounds with a pro skateboarder who is a recreational BJJ player of 5 years. Video shows why having the appropriate level of technique and sport specific conditioning is necessary to even be slightly successful. The guy even lifts weights and advocates for strength training (like everyone else has this entire time).

Jujimufu even throws the splits in there a few times.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I’ll throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing.

The love of fighting in combat sports is greater than either strength or skill.

Without strength your skill is meaningless. Without the love of fighting your strength and skill is meaningless.

It was Ali who said the will has to be stronger than the skill.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Behold the GOAT



But seriously, someone could be totally dispassionate about fighting and still be highly effective and vice versa.

How many dispassionate champions have you ever seen in your life in any sport at a high level lol?

 

[maximus__]

I’ll throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing.

The love of fighting in combat sports is greater than either strength or skill.

Without strength your skill is meaningless. Without the love of fighting your strength and skill is meaningless.

It was Ali who said the will has to be stronger than the skill.

Now the mental side Of sport exists... We did that one already. You argued multiple pages that it's purely physical.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Now the mental side Of sport exists... We did that one already. You argued multiple pages that it's purely physical.

If you would like to argue with the person I got that from Chael sonnen then be my guest. I think I will take his word over yours.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

SO what percent according to you guys are sports mental? Is it 40%, 57%, 100%? Or is just something you guys bought hook line and sinker and you enjoy saying it because it sounds like you know what you are talking about to say that sports are mental? Have you even considered that you are wrong?


Why should I even take your advice when none of you have any accomplished more than I have athletically in my life?

I do not respect your opinions albeit I respect your ability to have one.

 

[spdrew2143]

SO what percent according to you guys are sports mental? Is it 40%, 57%, 100%? Or is just something you guys bought hook line and sinker and you enjoy saying it because it sounds like you know what you are talking about to say that sports are mental? Have you even considered that you are wrong?


Why should I even take your advice when none of you have any accomplished more than I have athletically in my life?

I do not respect your opinions albeit I respect your ability to have one.

Nobody here respects you or your opinion.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Nobody here respects you or your opinion.

I actually do respect some peoples opinion but you are most definitely not one. you, Maximus and rawdawg are not even worth conversing with and that is why I have you guys on ignore. I dont ever want to hear or know about anything you have to say.

 

[maximus__]

If you would like to argue with the person I got that from Chael sonnen then be my guest. I think I will take his word over yours.

Yeah we did that too. I put up a video early in his career where he talks about needing a sports psychologist.

The guy had a great career, but I can't think of a single fight where he successfully fought out of a submission or any major adversity.
He is a great coach these days and I think you might find he will probably be the first to admit, he was effectively quitting on himself in fights.

You can pick a single video where he said a key phrase in and base an opinion off that, whilst ignoring the context. Or you can do what you pretty much just did and admit that the mental side of sport is important. We can skip that one too, since we did it to death.

 

[maximus__]

SO what percent according to you guys are sports mental? Is it 40%, 57%, 100%? Or is just something you guys bought hook line and sinker and you enjoy saying it because it sounds like you know what you are talking about to say that sports are mental? Have you even considered that you are wrong?


Why should I even take your advice when none of you have any accomplished more than I have athletically in my life?

I do not respect your opinions albeit I respect your ability to have one.

112% because i give 200% all the time. There is no defined percentage.

Dude, you play masters level baseball tournaments. It's effectively the same as a recreational bjj player doing a ibjjf tournament or competing in a local grappling competition with organised brackets.

No one else talks about this stuff because we understand it doesn't mean anything. Heaps of us have no doubt played local, state and international competitive level sports.