Law Corruption Crumble:

[Sinister]

A good OP.

I remember being in a heated debate with JVS about campaign financing and his entire argument was that corporations being able to do what you’re decrying was protected by the first amendment. It is such a BS position.

What do we do? Bring back the gallows IMO.

Yeah that was a huge issue we disagreed on as well. And if you really want to be terrified, the crypto industry is playing heavy influence in US elections to further their interests. Now think of what crypto is. Is there any way to determine if a foreign entity is paying into that for results? Nope. Any crypto outfit lobbying the Government in the US could easily be bloated with foreign money to do so.

I've posted this clip in the past but Lawrence Lessig tried to explain all this to Brogan years back. Listen to how he said McConnell framed the argument against McCain, who was one of the last great Champions of checking corporate power on the Republican side:

 

[Sinister]

Not to mention that many businesses chose to temporarily "lockdown" in some way without orders from state governments, either because of worker safety or because it didn't make economical sense for them to stay opened when demand in certain industries became nearly nonexistent.

Yeah my gym shut down for a while (the US conflated "shutdown" with "lockdown") and it eventually ceased to operate. Some people would try to stir me to be mad at the Government for that. However that was in 2020. Should I be mad st Trump?

No no no, I should be mad at Steve Sisolak. Except that I was there and I was head trainer when that happened. I saw the decision making process for myself. And I saw the owner capitalize on the shutdown, enrich himself with the outcomes of certain events, and just move on to other business ventures. That happened a lot around Vegas AND the Casinos got millions and millions of tax dollars, never called a lot of laid off staff back, and doubled the hours of the staff they did call back. There were strikes over that, eventually.

 

[UberHere]

It boggles my mind that there wasn't universal outrage over CU, and an immediate campaign to reverse it. Or if there was, I never heard of it. It doesn't speak well of The Left that they can turn out in large numbers for George Floyd and not even bother to set a single car alight over CU

out of interest, did the Dems ever campaign on doing so? I don't recall it being a thing with them. Mind you I suppose they would have needed to pack the USSC to do it and that ship sailed with McConnell/Garland etc etc etc- or did they have a realistic chance before then?

Getting corporate money out of politics is more of a progressive stance and on the few things I agree with them on. Too bad that movement is overly focused on cultural bullshit instead.

 

[Sinister]

what was the reaction to CU at the time, then? I Was there any pushback from the Dems? Did Obama even condemn the ruling?

Yes Obama called the ruling undemocratic and even chastised the Court during the 2010 SOTU address:



If course Republicans painted this as liberating for ALL American businesses that are incorporated. As opposed to expressing the reality that more dollars would equate to more votes and influence. Obama spoke out a lot:



And here is Lessig explaining this to Brogan some more:

 

[Sinister]

Getting corporate money out of politics is more of a progressive stance and on the few things I agree with them on. Too bad that movement is overly focused on cultural bullshit instead.

I'm glad you agree on corporate money, but remember, no one brought up "the trans" in here. You did.

I made this thread for this issue. So if we agree on it then let's agree man. Take yes for an answer. Take the W and roll with it.

 

[Sinister]

In re-watching that clip of Lessig on Brogan talking about McConmell, I realized I didnt look too deep into the McCain-Feingold Act, which was initiated by John McCain in a bipartisan effort with Russ Feingold, to curtail the role of corporations in Government. Here is Feingold discussing the origin of that:



McCain in his own words on Citizens United:

 

[LeonardoBjj]

wild that 'being able to define a woman' is such a hot-button issue in modern politics, but corporations having human rights and deserving the respect due to personhood barely raises any eyebrows, never mind objections. Well, when I say wild, its depressingly and terminally predictable.

- Corportations that destroyed the enviroment and are responsible for teh caotic nature of today climate.

 

[Sinister]

Majority Report recently covered Josh Shapiro's recent appearance on The Breakfast Club. Charlemagne asks him directly about AIPAC and Shapiro uses a lot of slippery language about the role of PACs, and downplays the influence of dark money in politics. Definitely not a guy I want as a President: