International Coronavirus, v4: South Korea in Red Alert as number of infected quadrupled in 4 days

[Cole train]

Sacramento County reports first case of coronavirus in resident who visited China

Sacramento County reported its first case of novel coronavirus in a traveler who had gone to China, bringing the number of cases in the United States to 17. Rural Humboldt County had reported on Thursday that it had a case on Thursday.

The individual returned to the United States from China on Feb. 2, Sacramento County officials said, and the individual took precautionary measures during travel and has self-quarantined since returning. The individual has so far shown no symptoms, health officials said.

“Cases in the U.S., including this first case in Sacramento County, have primarily been travel-related,” said Dr. Peter Beilenson, Sacramento County Department of Health Services Director. “The risk of COVID-19 to the U.S. public continues to be low. Sacramento County health providers are continuing to be vigilant, monitoring for acute respiratory illness, and gathering recent travel information to detect any new COVID-19 cases.”
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240516951.html

Remember the rules guys

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Thus, Miss Diagnose will take care of you shortly, Dr. Big Brain.

This sudden spike in pneumonia during a severe epidemic is just the flu bro, as Miss Diagnose proved.

You're a living meme bruvva, keep going with your epic Facts and Logic

Go back to the only thing you are good at, hiting the like button. Im glad a phone autocorrect can bring you so much joy.

Im here arguing with verifiable information and opinions while you do nothing but whine and make memes. You're a can.

 

[Wadtucket]

Go back to the only thing you are good at, hiting the like button. Im glad a phone autocorrect can bring you so much joy.

Im here arguing with verifiable information and opinions while you do nothing but whine and make memes. You're a can.

Hahahaha you had to edit in that last part

Gotten to

 

[Renard]

Im not ignoring logic. The flu can and does cause pneumonia. 1/3rd of all pneumonia cases are caused by respiratory infections. There are many different respiratory infections. Some of these infections, like the common flu, are much more common than coronavirus. Thus, its not crazy to assume many of these positive tests can be attributed to other illnesses. You can also develop pneumonia from bacterial infections and fungi. Many illnesses often present themselves with flu like symptoms in the initial stages.

It would be very easy under this criteria to misdiagnose.

You're a funny guy. Now tell them what your mental gymnastics for this one is.

To calculate a virus's death rate, we use the ratio:

Number of dead
----------------------
Number of dead + recovered

As for the number of infected, it represents a yet-unmanifested pool of both dead and recovered. If we use the official Chinese numbers, the death rate is around 10-16%. How can that can be, since we know from experts' reports that the death rate is around 2-3%? Because the official number of infected only represents the 20% of more serious cases who presented to the hospital, as I've said previously, and these serious cases have a higher mortality than the rest. To get the real number of infected, including the asymptomatic and mild cases, we would have to roughly triple the official number.

Experts and anyone with brain cells has figured this out a long time ago.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Hahahaha you had to edit in that last part

Gotten to

Another eloquently stated argument.

Why are you so threatened by people with different opinions? Im not allowed to state my thoughts about coronavirus because they don't match your opinion?

Youre whats wrong with this place, you cant accept other opinions, and you feel the need to lash out like a little crybaby.

Im gotten to? Youre literally sitting in microsoft paint making memes of me. Youre a dumb dork

 

[Wadtucket]

Another eloquently stated argument.

Why are you so threatened by people with different opinions? Im not allowed to state my thoughts about coronavirus because they don't match your opinion?

Youre whats wrong with this place, you cant accept other opinions, and you feel the need to lash out like a little crybaby.

Im gotten to? Youre literally sitting in microsoft paint making memes of me. Youre a dumb dork

It's gonna be okay baby, I'm sure somebody will think you're smart soon. Any day now.

 

[volodya]

Another eloquently stated argument.

Why are you so threatened by people with different opinions? Im not allowed to state my thoughts about coronavirus because they don't match your opinion?

Youre whats wrong with this place, you cant accept other opinions, and you feel the need to lash out like a little crybaby.

Im gotten to? Youre literally sitting in microsoft paint making memes of me. Youre a dumb dork

* You're

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

You're a funny guy. Now tell them what your mental gymnastics for this one is.

To calculate a virus's death rate, we use the ratio:

Number of dead
----------------------
Number of dead + recovered

As for the number of infected, it represents a yet-unmanifested pool of both dead and recovered. If we use the official Chinese numbers, the death rate is around 10-16%. How can that can be, since we know from experts' reports that the death rate is around 2-3%? Because the official number of infected only represents the 20% of more serious cases who presented to the hospital, as I've said previously, and these serious cases have a higher mortality than the rest. To get the real number of infected, including the asymptomatic and mild cases, we would have to roughly triple the official number.

Experts and anyone with brain cells has figured this out a long time ago.

The official infected number only represents 20%? Youd have to triple it? The problem with this is you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

First of all, the reason one number is 10-16% and the other is 2-3% is because they represent different things moron.

Its not a "death rate". The 10-16% is the case fatality rate (the percentage of people who have come to the conclusion of their illness and have died). The 2-3% is the mortality rate (the total number of infected vs the amount of people who have died). They represent different things. I don't need to do mental gymnastics to shut down that stupid argument.

 

[Wadtucket]

China changes reporting criteria for 2nd time in 24 hours; revises new cases detected in Hubei on Feb 19 (over doubling it)

Hubei infection changes from 349 to 775:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-hubei-toll/chinas-hubei-province-revises-february-19-new-cases-tally-to-775-from-349-previously-idUSKBN20F26M

New reporting changes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/02/21/81d2aa50-543e-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html

For the third time in eight days — and the second time in 24 hours — Chinese public health officials made changes Friday to their criteria for counting coronavirus cases, once again sowing confusion over the widely fluctuating figures. In a further sign of potential inconsistencies, an official in China’s Hubei Health Commission suggested that agencies were not being transparent and accurate in their reported case numbers.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

China changes reporting criteria for 2nd time in 24 hours; revises new cases detected in Hubei on Feb 19 (over doubling it)

Hubei infection changes from 349 to 775:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-hubei-toll/chinas-hubei-province-revises-february-19-new-cases-tally-to-775-from-349-previously-idUSKBN20F26M

New reporting changes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/02/21/81d2aa50-543e-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html

For the third time in eight days — and the second time in 24 hours — Chinese public health officials made changes Friday to their criteria for counting coronavirus cases, once again sowing confusion over the widely fluctuating figures. In a further sign of potential inconsistencies, an official in China’s Hubei Health Commission suggested that agencies were not being transparent and accurate in their reported case numbers.

Its almost like I just mentioned this 10 minutes ago, hmm.

 

[Wadtucket]

Its almost like I just mentioned this 10 minutes ago, hmm.

Citation needed, Dr. Big Brain

 

[Wadtucket]

First remember that there are 6700 people under self quarantine in California then read this. 19 days later. Quarantine is 14 days.

 

[Renard]

The official infected number only represents 20%? Youd have to triple it? The problem with this is you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

First of all, the reason one number is 10-16% and the other is 2-3% is because they represent different things moron.

Its not a "death rate". The 10-16% is the case fatality rate (the percentage of people who have come to the conclusion of their illness and have died). The 2-3% is the mortality rate (the total number of infected vs the amount of people who have died). They represent different things. I don't need to do mental gymnastics to shut down that stupid argument.

My god, you have 0 reasoning skills.

The WHO, the Chinese CDC and JIDEA, world-leading disease modellers, have all released the case severity numbers. The virus causes mild symptoms in 80% of cases, severe issues in 15% and puts 5% in critical condition. You'd know that if you spent more time researching instead of bullshitting.

 

[Wadtucket]

CDC Press Briefing from earlier today: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.mp3

 

[Arkain2K]

Last week I was not worried at all.
today a whole different story
Humans deserve to be eliminated, we are fucking morons.


"Coronavirus-infected Americans flew home with healthy passengers — even though the CDC warned against it"
https://www.theblaze.com/news/coron...&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-theblaze

*sigh* Not this fake news again!

The ACTUAL details of the evac is on page 1:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158829721/

And here again:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158889595/

And here again:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158890239/

Yes, they are on the same plane.

No, they are not sitting with "healthy passengers" (who in all likelihood were also already infected on the ship and not showing symptoms yet). They are locked inside biohazard containment units.

Protocol treated EVERYONE airlifted from the Diamond Princess as potentially-infected since the Japanese fucked it up hard, and EVERYONE went straight into quarantine for that reason.

As far we are concerned, there are no "healthy" passengers from that ship, and that's a good assumption especially after this revelation:

An expert booted off the Diamond Princess says Japan’s coronavirus control is “completely chaotic”
By Mary Hui

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Kentaro Iwata, an infectious diseases expert at Kobe University, was brought onto the Diamond Princess yesterday, a day before the Japanese government began allowing passengers to disembark from the quarantined cruise ship. What he saw shocked him.

“The cruise ship was completely inadequate in terms of the infection control,” Iwata said in a YouTube video he uploaded yesterday. “There was no distinction between the green zone, which is free of infection, and the red zone, which is potentially contaminated by the virus.” He had boarded the ship as a member of the disaster medical assistance team, after having been denied permission to enter in his own capacity as an infection control expert, he said.

The ship has been docked off the port city of Yokohama since Feb. 3, with 3,700 people onboard. A man who disembarked in Hong Kong on Jan. 25 was found to have Covid-19, prompting the quarantine. The ship is operated by Princess Cruises, part of the Carnival Corporation, one of the world’s largest cruise companies.

As the number of people infected on the vessel steadily crept up, experts began questioning Japan’s strategy of continuing to enforce the quarantine on thousands of people in an enclosed space. While passengers were confined to their cabins, crew members shared living and working spaces and had minimal protective gear when interacting with passengers. As of yesterday, 542 people have been confirmed infected with coronavirus, or roughly 15% of everyone onboard.

Passengers who tested positive for Covid-19 and who have been asymptomatic began disembarking this morning, though people who tested positive but shared a room with an infected person will be kept aboard for additional quarantine.

Iwata said in the video that in his two decades of dealing with infectious diseases, including the 2003 SARS outbreak in China and the more recent Ebola outbreak in Africa, he “never had fear of getting infection myself.” But on the Diamond Princess, he said, “I was so scared. I was so scared of getting Covid-19 because there’s no way to tell where the virus is. No green zone, no red zone, everywhere could have the virus.” He added that “there was was nobody in charge of infection prevention as a professional, the bureaucrats were in charge of everything.”

In his day spent aboard the ship, Iwata said he observed numerous lapses in infection control measures. Crew members, some of whom were wearing full protective gear and others who weren’t, were walking around the vessel, potentially cross-contaminating different parts of the ship, he said. Iwata said he also saw people eating lunch with their medical gloves on, and handling their smartphones while wearing their protective suits, “so it was completely chaotic.”

Even something as simple as a printed informed consent form to authorize tests for coronavirus is a potential source for transmission, Iwata said. “That paper was going back and forth, back and forth” between the room with the infection and elsewhere, he said, describing how his suggestion to switch to verbal informed consent was neglected. He was later ordered off the ship by someone from the ship’s quarantine office, he said. He has isolated himself in a separate room to avoid infecting his family.

In a series of tweets (link in Japanese), vice minister of health Gaku Hashimoto, who was on board the ship, said Iwata couldn’t give him a clear answer as to why he was on board and so was politely asked to leave the vessel. Hashimoto added that he’ll report the incident back to the health ministry to understand how this was able to happen.

Addressing Iwata’s comments, an official from the ministry of health and labor told Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun (link in Japanese) that it was a “misconception” that amateurs rather than specialists are working on board the ship to prevent infections.

https://qz.com/1804615/japanese-expert-on-chaotic-coronavirus-infection-control-on-diamond-princess/

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

My god, you have 0 reasoning skills.

The WHO, the Chinese CDC and JIDEA, world-leading disease modellers, have all released the case severity numbers. The virus causes mild symptoms in 80% of cases, severe issues in 15% and puts 5% in critical condition. You'd know that if you spent more time researching instead of bullshitting.

The audacity you have to claim I need to do more research when you dont know the difference between morality rate and case fatality rate, and use the conflicting numbers as proof of a conspiracy to hide the true numbers. Thats the kind of thing I would expect to see in a flat earth documentary.

Look, I get your point about asymptomatic cases, but its difficult to discern the true numbers there. You can't claim that because 80% of cases are mild that 80% of cases are unreported, that is beyond silly. The problem is how can we extrapolate the true numbers there? It's pretty difficult. How many of those mild cases decided to go to the doctor? Who the hell knows.

 

[Wadtucket]

*sigh* Not this fake news again!

The ACTUAL details of the evac is on page 1:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158829721/

And here again:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158889595/

And here again:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158890239/

Yes, they are on the same plane.

No, they are not sitting with healthy passengers. They are locked inside biohazard containment units.

Right, they put the ones that had tested positive (or had symptoms, I believe) at that point in a box on the flight

But several of the ones outside the box were infected, since they ostensibly only put 14 of them in the box and 18 are now positive

 

[Arkain2K]

Right, they put the ones that had tested positive (or had symptoms, I believe) at that point in a box on the flight

But several of the ones outside the box were infected, since they ostensibly only put 14 of them in the box and 18 are now positive

Not just "several", I'm in the opinion that a whole bunch of them are already infected long ago in that failed quarantine, and thus the protocol treated them all as "potentially-infected", not "healthy passengers"

Repost:

If you ask me, our government already gave up all hopes on the failed Japanese quarantine on the floating petri dish and assume they are already infected. That's why the "virus-free" certificates they gave out on the Diamond Princess means absolutely nothing to anyone outside Japan, and there weren't even any temp checks on board the evacuation flights either.

The only people who didn't understand the situation are the passengers themselves, who had all the time in the world in their cabins to read the same latest news like we do, but whose overwhelming sense of denial prevents them from accepting reality, as a bunch of them are actually angry at the prospect of another 14 days of quarantine in the U.S "for no reasons":

"From tragedy to comedy to farce," tweeted American passenger Matthew Smith, pulling no punches. "The US government instead wants to take us off without testing, fly us back to the US with a bunch of other untested people, and then stick us in 2 more weeks of quarantine? How does that make any sense at all?"

Those who decide not to board the flight will still have to spend two weeks in Japan before being able to head home, because the American government says that it won't accept the Diamond Princess quarantine as proof that someone is virus free.

For Karey Mansicalco, who owns a real estate company in Utah, the news yanked freedom from her hands at the 11th hour.

"It's like a prison sentence for something I did not do," she told CNN from her cabin. "They are holding us hostage for absolutely no reason."

You're going straight to a REAL quarantine because the Japanese fucked up and we assume that a bunch of you are already infected, Karey!

And Matthew, there's no temp check on the flight for a bunch of likely-infected people because we don't want a riot to break out, as you turn against each other "Train to Busan" style!​

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/158891329/

 

[Wadtucket]

Not just "several", I'm in the opinion that a whole bunch of them are already infected long ago in that failed quarantine.

Agreed. It still seems the State Department fucked up by putting everyone together on the flight, even with 14 of them in a box. If some of them did not get infected in the failed ship quarantine they surely got infected on that flight.

The passengers were wearing useless surgical masks, unsealed N95s and upside-down masks on that flight.

 

[Wadtucket]

New video from our favorite cozy nurse grandpa