Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread v2

[TheOldMan]

Would you care to address the Air Bridge corruption I've brought information regarding? You don't seem to ever address stuff that doesn't jive with your narrative.........

I'll address it when I'm in the mood for an all night back and forth with you. We may not agree on politics but I do admire your conviction.

I hope you're doing well during this insanity bro.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I'll address it when I'm in the mood for an all night back and forth with you. We may not agree on politics but I do admire your conviction.

I hope you're doing well during this insanity bro.

There's not need for an all night back and forth. You could've simply addressed the information any of the times it's been linked for your convenience.

None of you ever seem to actually address the information when it shows Trump to be someone incapable of ceasing the grift even when his citizens are dying daily due to his continuing inaction.

 

[TheOldMan]

There's not need for an all night back and forth. You could've simply addressed the information any of the times it's been linked for your convenience.

None of you ever seem to actually address the information when it shows Trump to be someone incapable of ceasing the grift even when his citizens are dying daily due to his continuing inaction.

See the numbers I posted above in reply to @computer fogie .... IF you can argue that bottom line, then fine, I'll engage. If it's so much more "orange man bad" bullshit then I have better things to do, like clip my nails.

 

[hillelslovak87]

See the numbers I posted above in reply to @computer fogie .... IF you can argue that bottom line, then fine, I'll engage. If it's so much more "orange man bad" bullshit then I have better things to do, like clip my nails.

What are you talking about in reference to this bottom line?

The Trump administration's policy of medical supply chain distribution has been to hand corporations supplies taxpayers already paid for in order to price gouge the states by auctioning them against each other, the fed and other countries. How is that ethical or anything but inherently corrupt and anti American? Actually read the story, and address the corruption, or try to provide a rationale as to how it's not corrupt, or is somehow ethical in any way.

And on your nails, thanks to Trump's incompetence ain't no Korean lady coming near you.

 

[TheOldMan]

What are you talking about in reference to this bottom line?

The graph I responded to @computer fogie with.

Read it.

You can spend all day bitching on this forum that Orange Man Bad, or you can accept the fact that maybe he isn't so bad after all. The numbers clearly back this, but can you?

 

[hillelslovak87]

The graph I responded to @computer fogie with.

Read it.

You can spend all day bitching on this forum that Orange Man Bad, or you can accept the fact that maybe he isn't so bad after all. The numbers clearly back this, but can you?

Again, if you're going to tell me that I need to speak in terms regarding the "bottom line" without actually qualifying what it is, it's hard to find your position, which is actually the point of discussion. It's like bob screaming about the best numbers over and over in times of record deficits in spending and trade.

What is your view on the air bridge supply line situation and the system the Trump admin has set up, which was highlighted in the piece I've provided multiple times for you? Is it ethical, or is it pretty damn corrupt and anti American to hand taxpayer funded medical supplies to corporations for them to auction off to the states, who will be competing against eachother, the fed and other nations?

It's a pretty simple question about a pretty clear cut situation, and you're most likely capable, if not willing, of actually addressing it.....

 

[TheOldMan]

Again, if you're going to tell me that I need to speak in terms regarding the "bottom line" without actually qualifying what it is, it's hard to find your position, which is actually the point of discussion. It's like bob screaming about the best numbers over and over in times of record deficits in spending and trade.

My position is obvious, Hill. You and others are on here bitching about words. My point is that words don't mean shit, results do. Trump has provided results.

The deficit? LOL....in the midst of a pandemic? If we had 10x more dead would you still be bitching about the deficit? Cmon man.....it's over.

 

[hillelslovak87]

My position is obvious, Hill. You and others are on here bitching about words. My point is that words don't mean shit, results do. Trump has provided results.

The deficit? LOL....in the midst of a pandemic? If we had 10x more dead would you still be bitching about the deficit? Cmon man.....it's over.

Do you care to address his actions, like the Air Bridge supply chain, playing favorites with friendly governors and battleground states, or sending the FBI to confiscate medical goods the states or hospitals bought?

The talk of the deficit was an ancillary point equating your argument, vague as it is, with talk righties like you proffer in regards to the economy. That apparently sailed above your noggin.


Here is the account I keep trying to get you to address regarding the Trump admin's actions, not their words. This story seems all too common, and has been reflected by many other hospital directors, nurses, and governors of states dealing with the same issues from the federal government. This time I'll link the entire account for you to read.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2010025

"As a chief physician executive, I rarely get involved in my health system’s supply-chain activities. The Covid-19 pandemic has changed that. Protecting our caregivers is essential so that these talented professionals can safely provide compassionate care to our patients. Yet we continue to be stymied by a lack of personal protective equipment (PPE), and the cavalry does not appear to be coming.

Our supply-chain group has worked around the clock to secure gowns, gloves, face masks, goggles, face shields, and N95 respirators. These employees have adapted to a new normal, exploring every lead, no matter how unusual. Deals, some bizarre and convoluted, and many involving large sums of money, have dissolved at the last minute when we were outbid or outmuscled, sometimes by the federal government. Then we got lucky, but getting the supplies was not easy.

A lead came from an acquaintance of a friend of a team member. After several hours of vetting, we grew confident of the broker’s professional pedigree and the potential to secure a large shipment of three-ply face masks and N95 respirators. The latter were KN95 respirators, N95s that were made in China. We received samples to confirm that they could be successfully fit-tested. Despite having cleared this hurdle, we remained concerned that the samples might not be representative of the bulk of the products that we would be buying. Having acquired the requisite funds — more than five times the amount we would normally pay for a similar shipment, but still less than what was being requested by other brokers — we set the plan in motion. Three members of the supply-chain team and a fit tester were flown to a small airport near an industrial warehouse in the mid-Atlantic region. I arrived by car to make the final call on whether to execute the deal. Two semi-trailer trucks, cleverly marked as food-service vehicles, met us at the warehouse. When fully loaded, the trucks would take two distinct routes back to Massachusetts to minimize the chances that their contents would be detained or redirected.

Hours before our planned departure, we were told to expect only a quarter of our original order. We went anyway, since we desperately needed any supplies we could get. Upon arrival, we were jubilant to see pallets of KN95 respirators and face masks being unloaded. We opened several boxes, examined their contents, and hoped that this random sample would be representative of the entire shipment. Before we could send the funds by wire transfer, two Federal Bureau of Investigation agents arrived, showed their badges, and started questioning me. No, this shipment was not headed for resale or the black market. The agents checked my credentials, and I tried to convince them that the shipment of PPE was bound for hospitals. After receiving my assurances and hearing about our health system’s urgent needs, the agents let the boxes of equipment be released and loaded into the trucks. But I was soon shocked to learn that the Department of Homeland Security was still considering redirecting our PPE. Only some quick calls leading to intervention by our congressional representative prevented its seizure. I remained nervous and worried on the long drive back, feelings that did not abate until midnight, when I received the call that the PPE shipment was secured at our warehouse.

This experience might have made for an entertaining tale at a cocktail party, had the success of our mission not been so critical. Did I foresee, as a health-system leader working in a rich, highly developed country with state-of-the-art science and technology and incredible talent, that my organization would ever be faced with such a set of circumstances? Of course not. Yet when encountering the severe constraints that attend this pandemic, we must leave no stone unturned to give our health care teams and our patients a fighting chance. This is the unfortunate reality we face in the time of Covid-19."

 

[hillelslovak87]

A piece on the issues facing the VA.

Since the Trump admin is stealing ppe from states and hospitals, where is it going if not to agencies like the VA, considering veterans are typically older?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-question-vas-still-rising-coronavirus-count/
Internal memos call into question VA’s still-rising coronavirus count

"The official tally of coronavirus cases in the Veterans Affairs’ health system topped 4,200 on Tuesday, but internal VA documents obtained by Military Times call into question how reliable that figure is.

The number of veteran cases has risen steadily over the last month, as the fast-spreading virus has sickened more than 579,000 individuals across America.

On March 14, only 30 coronavirus cases were confirmed at a handful of VA medical centers. Today, VA reported 4,261 at 118 department sites.

That includes 37 inpatient and outpatient cases at the Louis Stokes Cleveland VA Medical Center. But internal hospital memos sent Monday and obtained by Military Times listed 66 already-confirmed cases of the illness among its patients. Local hospital officials could not be reached for comment on the discrepancy."

Another story showing VA higher ups claiming no shortages, only to be contradicted by employees. These people are wearing masks for days upon days at a time. The fuck is the admin doing?

https://connectingvets.radio.com/articles/va-denies-supply-shortages-medical-staff-report-rationing
VA denies coronavirus supply shortages. Medical staff say they're rationing masks.

"The Department of Veterans Affairs has repeatedly denied that there are any coronavirus supply shortages at any of its hospitals and clinics nationwide.

But frontline staff said they're rationing masks and other supplies and in some places, they say they're running out.

Internal VA memos and communications provided to Congress also show the department is facing a "serious" shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE)."

 

[Octavian]

I remember when we were promised 27 million tests by the end of March.

Do you guys all remember that?

 

[LMP]

@TheOldMan I think one thing we can agree on is that every death sucks. I believe that if we reopen we will see an increase in deaths due to more people being effected. The United States is already in the top ten and currently leading in total deaths and cases. We might see us climbing even higher in the rankings. That leads me to believe that The Leaders of America have done a rather poor job handling this situation.

 

[cincymma79]

 

[HereticBD]

That is brutal. What a tone deaf moron. I'd credit the Trump team for a clever attack ad, but Christ, those things write themselves at this point.

 

[Misfit23]

lol, what a cunt... $24000 fridge.

 

[cincymma79]

lol, what a cunt... $24000 fridge.

I love ice cream too. Ben and jerry chip happens is the shit and I don’t even care for their product much normally.

 

[HereticBD]

lol, what a cunt... $24000 fridge.

Just the fact that she would show off how full it was with gourmet ice cream, is bad enough. The fact that it cost as much as some poor people's yearly income, is the cherry on top.

Of all the bad PR moves a politician could make at this moment, shooting a video inside your mansion showing off your gigantic fridge filled with a bunch of fancy food, while eating some and giggling like an idiot, is probably in the top five.

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...kade-for-coronavirus-ppe.html?utm_source=digg


Here’s a great article detailing how Trump and the Feds erect road blocks to prevent states from
Getting their PPE. Classic stuff led by the failed president. Making states overpay for items they already bought.


The White House Has Erected a Blockade Stopping States and Hospitals From Getting Coronavirus PPE




Yesterday, a letter published by the New England Journal of Medicine highlighted

“Our supply-chain group has worked around the clock to secure gowns, gloves, face masks, goggles, face shields, and N95 respirators. These employees have adapted to a new normal, exploring every lead, no matter how unusual. Deals, some bizarre and convoluted, and many involving large sums of money, have dissolved at the last minute when we were outbid or outmuscled, sometimes by the federal government. Then we got lucky, but getting the supplies was not easy.”

 

[zebby23]

I remember when we were promised 27 million tests by the end of March.

Do you guys all remember that?

Yes but I have a much more clear memory of being promised this would disappear like a miracle, whoosh.