Cormier is still a paper champion, no. 2 in the world

Only active fighters are considered for this particular moniker, so no TS you could not be more wrong. Try harder next time.
 
DOMMA said:
Does an Olympic athlete keep his/her records if they are caught cheating. Of course not. Ben Johnson was the fastest man in the world in the Olympics, 1988. Remember him......nope because he was busted for steroids. When he came back after his suspension he was never very fast, middle of the pack kind of guy......

I suspect Jones, without PEDS, will suffer the same fate.
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This.
 
superpunch said:
It's more like if your opponent takes steroids and runs 20 mph and you run 18 mph, did he still run faster than you?

Cormier might be the best natural 205er. But he's not the best 205er.
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Waw. So stupid. Steroids are illegal so if he's the best natural he's the best period. Juiceheads don't even come into discussion
 
Without PED DC would've KO Jones already especially in fight one. Jones ate some nasty uppercuts.
Without PED Jones would've been slower and weaker. That headkick would've done no damage.
 
VIPERdude said:
Just happened to notice you live in Austin Texas? I assume you are not getting the MAY/MAC PPV, being Hurricane Harvey looks to kills your PPV?
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Austin is in central Texas. Texas is huge. As big as half the us.

we're getting rain, but the hurricane won't make it halfway here
 
ChaelSonn said:
If Jones was the "better" fighter he wouldn't need to have juiced his whole career. Jones of the juice is not even top 10. He would have lost to Gus, DC both times shit he may have lost to Vitor if he didn't have the extra strength to pull out of the armbar would have definitely lost to Chael to by toe malfunction.
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But thats the issue with whats happening isnt it?

You are jumping to the conclusion of oh well jones has juiced his whole career and so he is not as good a fighter as when he was on the juice. It s a fair assumption. Here is the issue

How do we know when jon juiced and when he didnt? Was it his whole career? Was it when he won the title? After he won the title?

And lets say he has been on juice is whole career. Than How are we suppose to know that he is not a great fighter when he is off juice if we have never seen it?

Are you seeing what i am getting at here. I am not saying at all you are wrong hell you could be 100%correct

Its just hard to say.
 
If I go up to Jones with a fucking shot gun and spray his brains over the wall does that make me the best in world?
 
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What the fuck are you guys smoking in texas?

Its not even close
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Texas is huge. As big as half the us.
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RaZer Cruz said:
If I go up to Jones with a fucking shot gun and spray his brains over the wall does that make me the best in world?
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This. And see this will go right over most people's heads. Using weapons, steroids, etc... Jones takes these big chances when he cheats for a reason, because it helps him in his fights.
 
XThe GreatestX said:
But thats the issue with whats happening isnt it?

You are jumping to the conclusion of oh well jones has juiced his whole career and so he is not as good a fighter as when he was on the juice. It s a fair assumption. Here is the issue

How do we know when jon juiced and when he didnt? Was it his whole career? Was it when he won the title? After he won the title?

And lets say he has been on juice is whole career. Than How are we suppose to know that he is not a great fighter when he is off juice if we have never seen it?

Are you seeing what i am getting at here. I am not saying at all you are wrong hell you could be 100%correct

Its just hard to say.
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Look i hate Jones with a passion. But im not blind to see that he had massive potential and could have eventually worked his way to goat status in the next five years. Look at any interview Chael done about Jones he always said he had never faced someone so strong almost super human strength. It comes clear he was Juiced. But he was born with ridiculous natural advantages if he just busted his ass in the gym and used what he had to his benifit wuthout roids then look he would gave won some and lost some but he would have still been classed as a great fighter. But now he only win his fights due to being on juice and having unfair advantages. Like i said i hate Jones with a passion but i wonder what could he have been if he didn't roid his whole fight life. He would have been 17-5 or something now but he would still have years to get to goat status. Idk it's sad really for any athlete who is so mentally weak they have to cheat to win.
 
Jones without his "meds"
 

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ChaelSonn said:
Look i hate Jones with a passion. But im not blind to see that he had massive potential and could have eventually worked his way to goat status in the next five years. Look at any interview Chael done about Jones he always said he had never faced someone so strong almost super human strength. It comes clear he was Juiced. But he was born with ridiculous natural advantages if he just busted his ass in the gym and used what he had to his benifit wuthout roids then look he would gave won some and lost some but he would have still been classed as a great fighter. But now he only win his fights due to being on juice and having unfair advantages. Like i said i hate Jones with a passion but i wonder what could he have been if he didn't roid his whole fight life. He would have been 17-5 or something now but he would still have years to get to goat status. Idk it's sad really for any athlete who is so mentally weak they have to cheat to win.
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Well.. this post is still only an opinion though right? Like you may be 100% correct but is it not possibly jones starting roiding after his first suspension for cocaine because he was nervous about his layoff and how he would perform?

Chael so a lot of things about a lot people a lot of it is very entertaining. I am sure chael thought jones was very strong. But is it possible jones just has really natural strength and a strong base, with two brothers in the nfl?

Not at all saying that he did but you are telling me there is zero possibility? Probably not right? No matter how small theres probably about 3 or 4 points in jones career you could make the argument that he starting being on roids

And really i could see all of them.

All i am saying

Again you might be 100% right though

One thing i do disagree with his before this bust i considered him the third greatest mma fighter ever behind fedor and gsp ( no disrespect to anderson)

To me he was there. Its To bad. Now? I really dont know where to put him or whether to take him off
 
XThe GreatestX said:
Well.. this post is still only an opinion though right? Like you may be 100% correct but is it not possibly jones starting roiding after his first suspension for cocaine because he was nervous about his layoff and how he would perform?

Chael so a lot of things about a lot people a lot of it is very entertaining. I am sure chael thought jones was very strong. But is it possible jones just has really natural strength and a strong base, with two brothers in the nfl?

Not at all saying that he did but you are telling me there is zero possibility? Probably not right? No matter how small theres probably about 3 or 4 points in jones career you could make the argument that he starting being on roids

And really i could see all of them.

All i am saying

Again you might be 100% right though

One thing i do disagree with his before this bust i considered him the third greatest mma fighter ever behind fedor and gsp ( no disrespect to anderson)

To me he was there. Its To bad. Now? I really dont know where to put him or whether to take him off
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His brothers in the nfl have a well documented history of steroid use. Plus i think he has juiced his whole career just the type if steroid he popped for is designed to be undetectable after a short time after taking it so he keeps the benifits but as long as he is out side of the certain time frame he would always appear "clean". Now lets say his dick pill story is true a common side effect from steroids is limp dick but it takes years of steroid use to happen so say he really started heavy on roids after his Shogun fight it would fit in to why only last year he needed dick pills. You put all the little bits together it starts painting a clear picture.
 
superpunch said:
The fact is that everyone will always know that there was and is a guy out there that can beat him. Steroids or not, that headkick still landed, and those elbows still gave Cormier a concussion.



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You don't understand all the events and variables that lead up that headkick landing. You can't just take an isolated instance.
 
superpunch said:
Ok. He still won all those fights and no other man could beat him.

Cormier is the #1 LHW that just got knocked out cold
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Are you seriously that dense? This argument you're making is the equivalent of saying someone who was in a knife fight brought a gun, and that somehow made him better because he was dishonorable and cheated.
 
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